I wonder why the FAA wants professionalism in the cockpit??

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they are preaching 'professionalism' because it means that no matter how bad your working conditions get (pay,QoL) you will continue to do your job at a level that the public will not notice a decline in service. Its kinda like puting lipstick on a pig, or giving an old whore a bath. If the public doesn't get upset about sloppy crews who sleep in their rusty cars and live on tuna fish, then politicians (babbit included) get paid to do nothing. So enjoy your 'professional' crews america, be proud that we can stall airplanes with our shirts well pressed and our hats on.
 

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Wait until they get to the "Airlines", and get their first paycheck. After 1-2 hours of teeth gnashing and wailing about how are they gonna pay back the 100K in student loans they took out. Its priceless, I flew with an F/O that had more than 100K in student loans, I asked him how can you afford to pay on the loans, his answer, "I don't".
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Wait until they get to the "Airlines", and get their first paycheck. After 1-2 hours of teeth gnashing and wailing about how are they gonna pay back the 100K in student loans they took out. Its priceless, I flew with an F/O that had more than 100K in student loans, I asked him how can you afford to pay on the loans, his answer, "I don't".
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I deferred mine the entire time I was a student, instructor and FO. wound up acrruing 25k in additional debt!!!
 

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His old man fell off a cheap ladder and died so Artie got depressed and ate a lot of cupcakes. Now that the Yankees have claimed the Casey Stengell Trophy from the Philidelphia's I predict a more healthy and bountiful rendition of Artie circa 2002.
 

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Initially borrowed 65K... interest, deferrals, plus minimum payments since 1995 = $104K owed as of my last statement. On the bright side, my interest is only 2.4%. Guess it's gonna be a while before I get that Vette!
 

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Initially borrowed 65K... interest, deferrals, plus minimum payments since 1995 = $104K owed as of my last statement. On the bright side, my interest is only 2.4%. Guess it's gonna be a while before I get that Vette!
I owe zero. I guess there is still something to say about working as you gain your ratings. Gulible students need to stop going to those stupid 141 overpriced schools. Part 61 is the way to go. Much cheaper and the pilot certificates look the same. When will people wise up and stop spending 3 times what is should cost for the same training. Unbelievable. It still amazes me how much kids will pay with interest to sit right seat in a crj.
 

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I owe zero. I guess there is still something to say about working as you gain your ratings. Gulible students need to stop going to those stupid 141 overpriced schools. Part 61 is the way to go. Much cheaper and the pilot certificates look the same. When will people wise up and stop spending 3 times what is should cost for the same training. Unbelievable. It still amazes me how much kids will pay with interest to sit right seat in a crj.
Hey, Mr. Know it all... I worked all the time that I was at Embry-Riddle. My parents didn't have the money to pay my way through school, so I took out loans for the classes and worked to pay my rent and to eat. Don't ever question my work ethic. My post was simply to let others know that a career in aviation can be had, regardless of and financial hurdles that may need to be crossed.
 
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Hey, Mr. Know it all... I worked all the time that I was at Embry-Riddle. My parents didn't have the money to pay my way through school, so I took out loans for the classes and worked to pay my rent and to eat. Don't ever question my work ethic. My post was simply to let others know that a career in aviation can be had, regardless of and financial hurdles that may need to be crossed.
Work ethic is one thing, spending money like it's monopoly money on a career that pays 18k/year is another thing. It's time for students to wise up. The overpriced colleges and acedemies are destroying lives. Borrowing that kind of money is irresponsible at best. That kind of debt will takes years and possibly decades to pay off. It's just not worth it. That kind of debt should be taken out for careers that will pay off like doctors or lawyers. Last time I checked, Flight instructor and regional FO's are not exactly in a position to afford the monthly payments on a 6 figure loan.
Just for the record, I did not question your work ethic.
 
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Work ethic is one thing, spending money like it's monopoly money on a career that pays 18k/year is another thing. It's time for students to wise up. The overpriced colleges and acedemies are destroying lives. Borrowing that kind of money is irresponsible at best. That kind of debt will takes years and possibly decades to pay off. It's just not worth it. That kind of debt should be taken out for careers that will pay off like doctors or lawyers. Last time I checked, Flight instructor and regional FO's are not exactly in a position to afford the monthly payments on a 6 figure loan.
Just for the record, I did not question your work ethic.
My bad... I'm just a bit sensitive when it comes to this topic. As far as I'm concerned, this career SHOULD pay as much as that of a doctor or lawyer. As a third year Fractional Captain, I'll make in the neighborhood of $78-80K. Only now will I be able to enjoy the fruits of years of hard work. IMHO, the problem starts with an industry that is full of kids with rich parents who'll blow $100K on a degree & flight ratings, then subsidize the $22K income that they make after graduating. In my opinion, that's the source of the problem. It'll only get worse after the only way to the right seat is after obtaining an ATP. Then, an entry-level regional job will only be available to a very select few. Or, the amount that's going to have to be borrowed will make $100K look like pocket change. We are in agreement that the high priced schools and academies are destroying lives. That, compounded by the crap wages that a regional f/o makes are going to keep this profession from being the prestigious one that it used to be. I'm heading back to the Fractionals Board. Nice chatting w/you.
 
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I owe zero. I guess there is still something to say about working as you gain your ratings. Gulible students need to stop going to those stupid 141 overpriced schools. Part 61 is the way to go. Much cheaper and the pilot certificates look the same. When will people wise up and stop spending 3 times what is should cost for the same training. Unbelievable. It still amazes me how much kids will pay with interest to sit right seat in a crj.
Some people want the fast pace and they end up paying for it. There was no way for me to do flight training and go to college full time, and work enough to pay for it as i go. That's what student loans are for. You owe nothing in student loans. Do you want a cookie? who cares. I went to a community college and did 61 and 141 route, but i'm not going to judge someone if they want to pay 3x more.
 

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Some people want the fast pace and they end up paying for it. There was no way for me to do flight training and go to college full time, and work enough to pay for it as i go. That's what student loans are for. You owe nothing in student loans. Do you want a cookie? who cares. I went to a community college and did 61 and 141 route, but i'm not going to judge someone if they want to pay 3x more.
No I don't want a cookie unles it's a subway peanut butter cookie. The point being, there are alternatives to flight training than the scam route. Yes..paying 3-4 times more than normal for the same training is a scam. Pure and simple. You can call it the "fast-track" route all you want, but the truth is the truth. The real problem is the schools that are taking advantage of the young impressionable students and their clueless parents. They are great at marketing their overpriced crap and are great at getting you or mommy and daddy to sign a 6 figure loan for training in a c-172. This isn't about cookies. It's the sad reality of a young impressionable kid starting out his or her life with unneeded massive debt to flip switches in a crj.
Hey dad...look at me now, I fly for Delta.......connection.
 

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Hey, Mr. Know it all... I worked all the time that I was at Embry-Riddle.
I did something similar, but I worked AT ERAU, so they paid for my tuition and I used my small paycheck for rent and food.

More people need to work their way through school so they realize the value of their time.
 

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Then, an entry-level regional job will only be available to a very select few.
The attitude that a regional F/O is an "entry level job" is why there are people willing to fly 100 seat planes for 37 bucks an hour tops.
 

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I spent $45K on flight training at the local flight school.

That same flight school paid me $70K in wages over the 3 years I was there.

No debt, but an 'aviation career' is an amazingly stupid investment of $45 (or 60, or 100) thousand dollars.
 

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That video made my eyes bleed... For the 1:35 I could endure watching it. Well, I don't have to go to work now so thanks for posting!
 

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I spent about 20K in the mid-90's for all the ratings through MEI.

Went to a lcal school, and studied hard, never wasted a lesson.

And the previous poster is correct, regional FO should not be considered entry level.
 
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