I will except the Nic award

[Taco Rocket]

I doubt those in charge of the SWA/Airtran merger are as starkly stupid as Doug Parker was about the AAA acquisition.
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And how exactly was Parker stupid? He got 1000s of pilots to argue for over 5 years all while earning bankruptcy wages.

Reexamine your assumption that managements "want" or "need" to merge operations.

 

[Sandhawk]

Thanks GOD ALPA left. That corrupt, dishonest organization only benefitted the weak airlines like AWA and the regional airlines- all the ones taht were a drag on the rest of us (AAA, DAL, UAL). Then they let the strikebreakers from '83 in- don't get me started on that one/. Goodby ALPA! You will NEVER be back at USAir

Yeah, ALPA will never be back at USAir.....because USAir (AAA) DIED 5 years ago!

 

[B-atch]

Yeah, ALPA will never be back at USAir.....because USAir (AAA) DIED 5 years ago!

AHHH NOPE!! Wrong again.... The USAir certificate, along with its INTERNATIONAL ROUTE AUTHORITY, you know the one that MAKES money, still exists.

Why do you think the AW certificate was retired??.......... It was WORTHLESS!!

 

[Old School 737]

What's the jr. West P number currently on property and where they at
And in what equipment?

Anybody got this info?
Thx

 

[Cowboy75]

Anybody got this info?
Thx

As of 08/20/10, P3029 (B-737) with furloughed pilots returning.

 

[IBNAV8R]

I agree with MCDU, just can't wait to see the "slotting" of ten year Air Trannies slotted in with 35 year Southwest captains. This is gonna fly! NOT

DOH is the fairest single standard for a reason- let's return sanity to the profession!!!

There's are two HUGE differences here.

First - career expectations. If not for the buyout, "USAir wide-body captain" would have meant driving the "big" forklift in the Walmart stock room. Narrow body would have been relegated to the pallet jacks. Not that there's anything wrong with these lots in life.

Second - Air Tran and Southwest pilots have yet to agree to BINDING arbitration.

 

[Cowboy75]

What's the jr. West P number currently on property and where they at
And in what equipment?

The P-number of the last returning furloughed West pilot is P3105. Not sure of the equipment.

 

[B-atch]

There's are two HUGE differences here.

First - career expectations. If not for the buyout, "USAir wide-body captain" would have meant driving the "big" forklift in the Walmart stock room. Narrow body would have been relegated to the pallet jacks. Not that there's anything wrong with these lots in life.

Second - Air Tran and Southwest pilots have yet to agree to BINDING arbitration.

Another worthless opinion....Why do YOU think the big banks will not allow Airways to fail?? Obviously there is value..
Interesting how as pilots we fight management on every aspect. However, when they cook the books and burn cash in order to show losses,(for obvious purposes) we take their word for it..

If USAirways is, was, such a lost cause, WHY IS IT STILL AROUND??
Ever asked yourself this question, genius!! It has been kept ALIVE not for the good of the employees, but because IT HAS VALUE!!

Now go back to YOUR merger and give your opinion where it matters.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Another worthless opinion....Why do YOU think the big banks will not allow Airways to fail?? Obviously there is value..
Interesting how as pilots we fight management on every aspect. However, when they cook the books and burn cash in order to show losses,(for obvious purposes) we take their word for it..

If USAirways is, was, such a lost cause, WHY IS IT STILL AROUND??
Ever asked yourself this question, genius!! It has been kept ALIVE not for the good of the employees, but because IT HAS VALUE!!

Now go back to YOUR merger and give your opinion where it matters.

Are you saying that USAir was NOT days away from parking airplanes when they were saved by buyout? They were/are too big to fail?

 

[B-atch]

Are you saying that USAir was NOT days away from parking airplanes when they were saved by buyout? They were/are too big to fail?

Nope, I'm just saying that corporations will do ANYTHING to get the courts and government to see their way...
Take a look at whats happened to the industry in the last 11 years..
An obvious example is the DAL, NW CH11 filing just 2 months before the change in bankruptcy rules.

 

[OPECJet]

DOH is the fairest single standard for a reason- let's return sanity to the profession!!!

The only way sanity will ever return to this profession is:
1. Legacy pilot groups stop eating their young.
2. Regional pilot groups stop accepting substandard pay and workrules for growth (might have already been forced upon you by the economy)
3. Pilot groups who agree to binding arbitration live by their decisions rather than cry, then "take their football and go home".
4. ALPA National stop signing sub-par contracts signed by its' member carriers, which goes hand in hand with NOT calling off a strike until the vote is taken and counted.
5. All pilot groups re-visit the term "brand scope".
The list goes on, but I still point you to point #3.

 

[Turtle21]

Air Tran and Southwest pilots have yet to agree to BINDING arbitration.

Binding.. Ha! The legal term you are fishing for is INTERNAL as published by the 9th circuit.

ALPA peddled the idea of "binding" and like most everything else, they couldn't deliver the goods. I miss ALPA so much. Rez used to be my friend.

 

[dicko]

If USAirways is, was, such a lost cause, WHY IS IT STILL AROUND??
Ever asked yourself this question, genius!!

Three words; Inertia, Kinetic and Potential energy. They apply as much to physics as they do to large businesses.

It takes a long time to expend them. Unfortunate for the employees.

 

[B-atch]

A wise man once told me that the sole purpose for running LARGE airlines was to provide a money laundering opportunity for LARGE banks and investment firms....I believe him. Bob Crandal once stated that in the airline business, one has to invest $1000 in order to make 1 cent.
If the return on this investment is so minuscule, then why are BANKS financing these ventures??
Easy answer, large sums of money flow through the machine on a daily basis. It is very easy to shift, hide, re-direct, appropriate, etc, this money.
Its like the government.
You take a company like American, operating revenues approx. 15 billion annually. That is greater than the economies of most 3rd world countries. Were does the money go???

 

[Metrojet]

If they can't negotiate something we all know Federal Law mandates Binding Arbitration. All seniority integrations will turn upon their own facts. There is no way of knowing what an Arbitrator will do. Airtran is a healthy company that obviously brings value to SWA. Given DAL/NWA and AMW/AAA it's reasonable to assume some kind of integrated method.

SWA FO's aren't entitled forever to have the same career trajectory that FO's did there 15 years ago. There is no such thing as unlimited growth.

One this is crystal clear. SWA pilots will NOT be in charge of this thing. They're along for the ride like everybody else.

Beckett - so do I understand you correctly then - "SWA (AWA) FO's aren't entitled forever to have the same career trajectory that (AWA) FO's did there 15 years ago. There is no such thing as unlimited growth?

Metrojet

 

[HAL]

You take a company like American, operating revenues approx. 15 billion annually. That is greater than the economies of most 3rd world countries. Were does the money go???

Salaries for 79,000 employees, benefits for 79,000 employees, marketing campaigns around the world, leases on many of their 634 aircraft, fuel to fly 2,500,000+ miles a day, gate leases, landing fees, insurance on 634 aircraft, maintenance on 634 aircraft, mortgages on hangars, maintenance equipment & tools, ground equipment purchase & maintenance, food & drinks aboard 2,500,000+ miles of flying each day, Inflight entertainment licensing fees, promotional material at all ticket counters, lease & maintenance & operation of training centers and simulators, ATC fees in foreign countries, management offices & staff, aircraft cleaners, company-wide computer networking and IT operations, software fees for every department, debt service, codeshare operation costs, frequent flyer program costs, Admiral's Club & Flagship lounge rental, operation, insurance, and staffing, etc, etc...

HAL

 

[B-atch]

Salaries for 79,000 employees, benefits for 79,000 employees, marketing campaigns around the world, leases on many of their 634 aircraft, fuel to fly 2,500,000+ miles a day, gate leases, landing fees, insurance on 634 aircraft, maintenance on 634 aircraft, mortgages on hangars, maintenance equipment & tools, ground equipment purchase & maintenance, food & drinks aboard 2,500,000+ miles of flying each day, Inflight entertainment licensing fees, promotional material at all ticket counters, lease & maintenance & operation of training centers and simulators, ATC fees in foreign countries, management offices & staff, aircraft cleaners, company-wide computer networking and IT operations, software fees for every department, debt service, codeshare operation costs, frequent flyer program costs, Admiral's Club & Flagship lounge rental, operation, insurance, and staffing, etc, etc...

HAL

Yeah OK bob....... Corporate credit cards, spending accounts, housing/transportation allowances, golfing trips to St. Andrews, etc... I see. Thanks for enlightening me.............

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Welcome B-atch. Becket is a former Metrojet pilot that is now furloughed West. He can not cash in his lottery ticket, which would place this sorry azz 2005 furloughed West pilot about 700 numbers up the East list. I know who he is, but rules on here do not allow me to elaborate.

M

Doosh:
How many times have we been through this.
You don't work for Airways, never have, never will. You are a gulfstream academy washout. Your man love st. nic does though.
I know things must be tough with your man living on that stellar 190 f/o pay after 19 years, but starting a thread won't get him to the left seat any faster, than say, another 19 years!:laugh:
That is, if LCC even survives..............