I thought ASA/SkyWest was going to get CAL flying?

[General Lee]

Continental chooses Republic for regional flights
Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:47 PM ET
NEW YORK, April 18 (Reuters) - Continental Airlines (CAL.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Tuesday it has chosen Chautauqua Airlines to potentially operate up to 69 regional jets currently flown by ExpressJet Airlines Inc. (XJT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) under a capacity purchase agreement.
Chautauqua, a unit of Republic Airways Holdings Inc. (RJET.O: Quote, Profile, Research), will operate any jets returned to Continental by ExpressJet after Continental said late last year it planned to take the jets back from the feeder carrier after failing to win a cheaper contract.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

bow sheet

Continental chooses Republic for regional flights
Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:47 PM ET
NEW YORK, April 18 (Reuters) - Continental Airlines (CAL.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Tuesday it has chosen Chautauqua Airlines to potentially operate up to 69 regional jets currently flown by ExpressJet Airlines Inc. (XJT.N: Quote, Profile, Research) under a capacity purchase agreement.
Chautauqua, a unit of Republic Airways Holdings Inc. (RJET.O: Quote, Profile, Research), will operate any jets returned to Continental by ExpressJet after Continental said late last year it planned to take the jets back from the feeder carrier after failing to win a cheaper contract.


Bye Bye--General Lee

We don't fly as cheep as shatoutaTAco on your lawn.

Now we will see who browns their shorts.

 

[i fly boxes]

what a bull s#$% move! Sorry Coex guys

 

[atlcrashpad]

Jerry and Brian were hanging the carrot hoping we'd bite. Don't believe anything those guys tell you. They are out to make money, not spend it.

General, you didn't believe this did you?

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

That's a huge kick in the nuts...

 

[anon]

Wow! Mesa was under bid by CHQ?

I never saw that coming. I thought Mesa had a sure lock on underbidding folks.

 

[The Drizzle]

Wow! Mesa was under bid by CHQ?

I never saw that coming. I thought Mesa had a sure lock on underbidding folks.

most likely not, CHQ's costs are still higher than Mesa's by a good margin, I think CAL cares more about quality than say delta(as tehy are learning in FL)

 

[Slice121]

Wow! Mesa was under bid by CHQ?

I never saw that coming. I thought Mesa had a sure lock on underbidding folks.

Wow, Mesa complaint only took 5 replies...what's the over/under?

 

[blueridge71]

most likely not, CHQ's costs are still higher than Mesa's by a good margin, I think CAL cares more about quality than say delta(as tehy are learning in FL)

Then why did they hire Chataco?

 

[StarChecker]

Then why did they hire Chataco?

Facts....facts....facts....

Show me facts that demonstrate we're not a good product. Or are you just trying to fit in at ASA?...

In that case....keep up the baseless tirade....we find them thoroughly entertaining.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Hey,
I am glad that sheneekwa got the bid instead of SKYW. I woulda had a hard time bidding around that flying. Avoid the 70, avoid the CoEx flying, makes the bid tougher. Whew, now I can just focus on avoiding the 70! Sorry CoEx guys, I wish you guys the best!
PBR

 

[ReportCanoa]

Facts....facts....facts....

Show me facts that demonstrate we're not a good product.

Fact: Regionals suck. Other fact: Chautauqua is a regional.

 

[enuffalready]

Now the fun begins

Now I can't will BL and the SKYPEST management start tellign everyone that we "would have" got the bid if we had settled our contract and now how if we agree to accept 'much lower' rates then we will get these phantom new planes potentially alloted to DCI with a DAL agreement.....

How's this BL and J---shut it. We truly don't care anymore...you have been too successful at demoralizing us, so successfull that mostof us don't really give a sheet about this place anymore...gee now how do you negotiate against that?

 

[General Lee]

I really thought JA and BL had the inside track on that one. It just goes to prove that everyone is out to get any flying they can, at any cost probably. Maybe CHQ didn't ask for fuel "insulation" like SkyWest.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[reno]

Hard to beleive that CHQ won the bid over SKYW even though CHQ is represented by a union and CHQ pilot rates are higher than SKYW.

Perhaps now some will realize that it's not all about that $2.00-3.00 per hour management claims during the whipsaw game.

 

[rjcap]

Hard to beleive that CHQ won the bid over SKYW even though CHQ is represented by a union and CHQ pilot rates are higher than SKYW.

Perhaps now some will realize that it's not all about that $2.00-3.00 per hour management claims during the whipsaw game.

Is this true ?

I would love to be a fly on the wall at the next ASA contract negotiation session. It would be priceless to hear mgmt try to explain why lower pilot costs didn't close the deal.

Maybe some Continental folks flew ASA and never got to their destination or never saw their bags again. Lets not forget that first rate customer service. Feel the Vision !!!


Hey Brian Labarbecue,

Maybe you lost the deal because your ATL operation is so pathetic that the Continental folks wanted nothing to do with you !

Maybe you need to fix your operation and quit blaming the pilots for your disgraceful operational performance.

 

[crjskipper]

No conspiracy - BL and JA said our 50 seat rate was very competitive and if any of you whiners noticed they arent asking us to take a cut on the 50. JA had told someone that he wanted he wanted the cal flying at asa but knew it was a long shot since we had no emb program.

Stop throwing bull around.

 

[wmuflyguy]

No conspiracy - BL and JA said our 50 seat rate was very competitive and if any of you whiners noticed they arent asking us to take a cut on the 50. JA had told someone that he wanted he wanted the cal flying at asa but knew it was a long shot since we had no emb program.

Stop throwing bull around.

Exactly, It would cost a significant amount of $$ to start a new aircraft program. That would have inflated cost significantly. If they try to pass it off as the pilot cost is at fault, they are full of $hi!

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Maybe CHQ didn't ask for fuel "insulation" like SkyWest.

They do, in fact, have a fuel-reimbursement program, per the CHQ web site.

-Neal

 

[General Lee]

They do, in fact, have a fuel-reimbursement program, per the CHQ web site.

-Neal

Wow, that must really add to our profits, I mean losses. That is a bunch of bull, and if that didn't happen think where your regional rates would be, considering you would have to make up for the fuel difference. I am paying for the high fuel costs for SkyWest and CHQ through my own pay cuts.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jehtplane]

Wow, that must really add to our profits, I mean losses. That is a bunch of bull, and if that didn't happen think where your regional rates would be, considering you would have to make up for the fuel difference. I am paying for the high fuel costs for SkyWest and CHQ through my own pay cuts.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yeah that's it, it is not your managements fault

 

[homerjdispatch]

Wow, that must really add to our profits, I mean losses. That is a bunch of bull, and if that didn't happen think where your regional rates would be, considering you would have to make up for the fuel difference. I am paying for the high fuel costs for SkyWest and CHQ through my own pay cuts.


Bye Bye--General Lee

....and we appreciate it, General. It lets me make sure my crews have all the fuel they need.

 

[Tomct]

GL...you are not helping your cause with stupid comments like that! Everything is the regionals fault...give me a freakin BREAK! I am tired of that load of crap. I support the DL guys, but comments like that make it very hard to continue that support!! GROW UP!

And Hey, you can atleast hold 88' capt right?

 

[General Lee]

GL...you are not helping your cause with stupid comments like that! Everything is the regionals fault...give me a freakin BREAK! I am tired of that load of crap. I support the DL guys, but comments like that make it very hard to continue that support!! GROW UP!

And Hey, you can atleast hold 88' capt right?

Say what? Do you think it is fair that DL is paying for all of the extra costs of higher fuel for SkyWest and now CHQ, and at the same time they are going for more of my pay? Do you think that is fair? When they blame it on higher fuel prices, they often don't tell us which planes we ultimately are paying for. It is sad. Grow up you say? I have broken the code here. And, it is not your fault, but our collective managements fault. They are the ones brokering the deals. But nevertheless, I am ultimately paying for it, again. Tell me they aren't going back to all of the DL employees due to higher fuel costs? And we seem to be paying more for SkyWest insulation. It is true.

And yeah, I can hold that position, but I may hold out for the 738 Capt seat. I liked flying that bird.


Bye Bye-General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yeah that's it, it is not your managements fault

I never said it was the SkyWest pilots' fault, rather I think it is the stupid deals we make with the regional carriers. But, I am ultimately paying for it with my pay cuts. That is true. One of the main reasons the company stated for coming back for more money in the 1113c hearing was higher fuel costs. That also includes the SkyWest insulation deal.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

....and we appreciate it, General. It lets me make sure my crews have all the fuel they need.

Great. And since CHQ took the new CAL regional flying, SkyWest will now come to you and the others for pay cuts and cost cuts to stay competitive with possible new contracts for feed. So, you might want to cut back on some of that reserve fuel. 1/8 mile in fog at BIL? No alternate required! (just jokin!)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I never said it was the SkyWest pilots' fault, rather I think it is the stupid deals we make with the regional carriers. But, I am ultimately paying for it with my pay cuts. That is true. One of the main reasons the company stated for coming back for more money in the 1113c hearing was higher fuel costs. That also includes the SkyWest insulation deal.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I think it also includes your brilliant management selling off your fuel hedges???!!!

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Say what? Do you think it is fair that DL is paying for all of the extra costs of higher fuel for SkyWest and now CHQ, and at the same time they are going for more of my pay? Do you think that is fair? When they blame it on higher fuel prices, they often don't tell us which planes we ultimately are paying for. It is sad. Grow up you say? I have broken the code here. And, it is not your fault, but our collective managements fault. They are the ones brokering the deals. But nevertheless, I am ultimately paying for it, again. Tell me they aren't going back to all of the DL employees due to higher fuel costs? And we seem to be paying more for SkyWest insulation. It is true.

And yeah, I can hold that position, but I may hold out for the 738 Capt seat. I liked flying that bird.


Bye Bye-General Lee

And the broken record spins, and spins and spins and spins and spins and spins and spins and spins and spins and spins and spins.

Oh and yea, did I say spins?

 

[temcgrew]

It's funny to hear most of the regional pilots complaining about others "taking thier flying". but when someone places the blame where it belongs, everyone is all bunched up! When will we all learn that the flying belongs back at the majors? This will shrink the "feeders" and put us out of jobs....at the regional's, but provide growth at the majors!!!

Sorry guy's the General is right!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Say what? Do you think it is fair that DL is paying for all of the extra costs of higher fuel for SkyWest and now CHQ, and at the same time they are going for more of my pay? Do you think that is fair? .... I have broken the code here. ... I am ultimately paying for it, again. ...And we seem to be paying more for SkyWest insulation. It is true.

And yeah, I can hold that position, but I may hold out for the 738 Capt seat. I liked flying that bird.


Bye Bye-General Lee

General, once again, you are mistaken. I asked Jerry Atkin about the "pass through" items (which include fuel) and Delta pays for these variable costs to reduce the amount of their payment to Skywest / ASA. One factor is that Delta can negotiate a lower bulk fuel price, the other factor is that Skywest would have to price in an uncertainty factor to cover the price of fuel. By buying fuel direct, Delta cuts the middle man out of the process and saves money. Further, Delta has incentive programs in place to split the savings from any fuel conservation programs employed at their DCI contractors. These contracts are boilerplate and the same deal goes for Chautauqua, Republic, Mesa, Skywest, ASA and possibly even Comair.

I am disappointed to learn that you will continue to wish for our death until you not only upgrade, but until you hold the exact equipment you desire. Hopefully you will not begin to envy PIC on the 777, or else you will want DCI guys lined up in the ditch and shot until you finally retire. My ever lasting hope is that someday the light will illuminate and you will realize that having DCI feed your 737-800 helps you command the St. Lucia 3 day that your heart desires.

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