I think Comair is a little jealous.....

[ohplease!]

There was a VERY noticable change in the way Comair employees treated us in CVG today. I'm not feeling the love anymore. What gives????

 

[viper548]

What do you expect, no one wants to buy them

 

[Skymeg]

I don't think they are jealous (don't give yourself so much credit.). They are just really worried about keeping their jobs right now. I am sure you can relate.

 

[WWEfan]

I just rode the jumpseat on Comair and the pilots were business as usual. They treated me well and I didn't notice any new attitude. They know something is coming. Its just a matter of when and who.

 

[DrewBlows]

I don't think they are jealous (don't give yourself so much credit.). They are just really worried about keeping their jobs right now. I am sure you can relate.

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[jobear]

You hit the nail on the head.

Much luck bro

 

[Heavy Set]

I'd be upset too if I knew Comair was in Mesa's gunsight.

 

[FreedomAList]

I'd be upset too if I knew Comair was in Mesa's gunsight.

HAH! Last thing Mesa needs is more 200's. Plus Mesa only has 300 mil or so in the bank . . . nowhere near enough to buy $$$ Comair.

Sad truth is, Comair would be LUCKY to get bought out by Mesa. AND THAT IS A NIGHTMARE . . !

 

[jbDC9]

Plus Mesa only has 300 mil or so in the bank . . . nowhere near enough to buy $$$ Comair.

Hell, if that's all the cash they have, they'd better just go buy Delta! What's DL worth these days, around 200 mil? Man, that's a scary thought...

 

[DAL737FO]

Not trying to start a war or anything but our, mainline pilots, letter 46 states that 25% of all Delta flying will be flown by ASA and COMAIR as long as they are wholly owned airlines. I'm no lawyer but I would think that COMAIR has a pretty good foot to stand on for flying all 25% now.

 

[ERJDRVR]

Not trying to start a war or anything but our, mainline pilots, letter 46 states that 25% of all Delta flying will be flown by ASA and COMAIR as long as they are wholly owned airlines. I'm no lawyer but I would think that COMAIR has a pretty good foot to stand on for flying all 25% now.

Is that 100% owned or just partial?

 

[Homer Jay]

Comair isn't going anywhere for now. Delta's going to declare CH 11, take us with them, and get some payback from the strike. I'm not worried about losing my job, I'm worried about losing more pay! And what would we be jealous about? I'm afraid that out brothers and sisters at ASA are in for the whipsaw of their lives. I hope I'm wrong but you guys just got bought out by a cheap operator. How long do you think it will be before Skywest management transfers some assets from your certificate to theirs and staffs those airplanes with their non-union, cheaper pilots, just to show you that they will not pay you any more than you already are? You guys deserve a better contract, and I will be the first to walk the line with you. I just hope this sale doesn't derail any progress that was made at the bargaining table. Good luck to all of you!

 

[ArcticFlier]

Is that 100% owned or just partial?

"wholly owned airlines"


AF

 

[SouthTex]

It's the seventy guys and gals that take the hit unfortunately, actually the second year pay is better at skywest than at ASA.

How long do you think it will be before Skywest management transfers some assets from your certificate to theirs and staffs those airplanes with their non-union, cheaper pilots, just to show you that they will not pay you any more than you already are?

 

[Sinca3]

Lack of progression

I just hope this sale doesn't derail any progress that was made at the bargaining table. Good luck to all of you!

There has been NO progression in 3 years of negotiating!!

 

[StaySeated]

This is not meant as a mean barb or anything, but the asa group needs to take out the entire negotiating committee and get them pissed, and then do not let those guys buy a drink for the next several years. Every second they have spent negotiating over the past three years is now useless. Again, I am not happy about any of this or jealous or any of that bs, but what do you think is going to happen when you bring everything ta'd to the table with skywest? If it cost 1 cent more than their status quo it just aint gonna happen. If they do roll over on anything that increases their current cost structure than I would REALLY start to worry. Good luck, the only merger/aquisition in the recent past that has worked out well for anyone is reno/aa. In every other case, someone has been seriously deep d1cked. Either way, I hope it works out well for everyone, asa and the 70for50 guys just f'n with ya, lighten up francis

 

[doh]

The worry over here is that know one is in a position to write the check for us. Nothing prevents them from piecing us out though. That's my worry any way.

 

[TIGV]

Eeeeh Eeehhhhh Unions are cool !
I need some Tee Pee for my bleeding bunghole....

 

[DDpaysoff]

Not trying to start a war or anything but our, mainline pilots, letter 46 states that 25% of all Delta flying will be flown by ASA and COMAIR as long as they are wholly owned airlines. I'm no lawyer but I would think that COMAIR has a pretty good foot to stand on for flying all 25% now.

I wish that was the case, but I think the judge in Ch. 11 will have a say in that. Anyway, it's not Comair's LOA its Dalpa's and I don't see them wasting any bargaining capital on us. Unless of course we could offer some kind of job protection to Delta pilots which is long overdue anyway.
On a separate rumor I heard that when DAL restructered its debt with GE, GE hedged itself if DAL filed ch. 11 with some language that would force an IPO of comair and that it would use some of that capital for payment to GE and that is why Fred keeps trying to get other feed to make comair more of a skywest/mesa feed structure to make comair more attractive on the I.P.O front.

Whatever happens, one thing is for sure, we will have no say in it.

 

[bvt1151]

By the time any grievance would see an arbitrator regarding the 25% DCI flying, DAL will be deep into Chapter 11. Then all bets are out the window.

 

[DAL737FO]

I wish that was the case, but I think the judge in Ch. 11 will have a say in that. Anyway, it's not Comair's LOA its Dalpa's and I don't see them wasting any bargaining capital on us.

There is no negotiating capital to waste. LOA 46 is already written and it states that as long as ASA and COMAIR remain wholly owned airlines that 25% of Delta's total flying would be allocated to those airlines. It would only seem to reason that since ASA is no longer wholly owned then COMAIR gets to pick up the full quarter. The next couple of months are going to get real interesting.

 

[Rogue5]

So if CMR doesn't get the full 25%, do you expect the DAL pilots to threaten some kind of job action to get compliance?

Wasn't there some bad blood a while back regarding CMR's resitance to taking on mainline furloughs?

 

[ohplease!]

There is no negotiating capital to waste. LOA 46 is already written and it states that as long as ASA and COMAIR remain wholly owned airlines that 25% of Delta's total flying would be allocated to those airlines. It would only seem to reason that since ASA is no longer wholly owned then COMAIR gets to pick up the full quarter. The next couple of months are going to get real interesting.

Comair can't handle all 25% and it would take a couple forevers to ramp up their ops to do it. Thats if Delta even COULD buy enough new planes (no money or financing) and then hire enough crews (not enough to be had right now).

 

[ohplease!]

I just rode the jumpseat on Comair and the pilots were business as usual. They treated me well and I didn't notice any new attitude. They know something is coming. Its just a matter of when and who.

I'm sorry I wasn't more clear....the gate and ramp folks are the ones I was talking about.

 

[DGdaPilot]

25% flying? I wonder if this is what FB was waiting for? Now we'll have the capacity to support a 300 airplane fleet.

 

[General Lee]

Passengers don't like RJs, only management people do.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DGdaPilot]

What about when that "RJ" is an E170 or 190?

 

[miles otoole]

Passengers don't like RJs, only management people do.


Bye Bye--General Lee

What? Are you sure? You would rather sit in a middle seat on an hour flight in a 737/757 than in an aisle on an RJ? I thought the 170s and 190s and soon to be C series planes are supposed to have the most comfortable cabins short of CALs BF? Maybe the pilots know more about the seats in the back than the passengers.

 

[General Lee]

Hmmm, I'm a passenger....I hate any middle seat. How many aircraft have middle seats, 757 767 777 737 md 80's dc9's airbus's. No middle seat in an RJ. THE BEST

Oh come on. Our "best" passengers are the business guys who walk up and pay the highest fares. Those guys hate RJs. There have been articles in the Wall Street Journal all about that. They want to work and get their bags out if they need to. The First Class section domestically has no middle seats. Even the Song 757s have better leg room and live TVs----which beats an RJ any day---any seat. Sad but true.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

What? Are you sure? You would rather sit in a middle seat on an hour flight in a 737/757 than in an aisle on an RJ? I thought the 170s and 190s and soon to be C series planes are supposed to have the most comfortable cabins short of CALs BF? Maybe the pilots know more about the seats in the back than the passengers.

You have missed the point too. First Class doesn't have a middle seat. Ever sat up there? Maybe not because our best passengers with the most miles or the richest people buy tickets to sit up there. They tend to buy more walk up tickets, which pays the bills. Even Song has better seats and Live TV, which beats an RJ any day---even in the middle. People getting off Song love it---true fact.


Bye Bye--General Lee