I say "no," he says "yes." Who's right?

[freightdoggie]

My question is,

why didnt you just take the written and get your ATP during your type ride???
Then you wouldnt have to be asking this question....

 

[U-I pilot]

looks like no ATP since not enough hours....

What....ya been slackin' there?....too much FBO lounger time?

 

[350DRIVER]

My question is,

why didnt you just take the written and get your ATP during your type ride???
Then you wouldnt have to be asking this question....

I would only assume because he only has 910 hours Total Time and he is far from the ATP requirements to do what you are suggesting. I found it kind of "odd" that they would type him at such a low total time, never came across anything like that in my 135 days. Usually all initial type applicants will have ATP minimums then the type ride would also act as the ATP ride IF they didn't already have the ATP.

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[Jeff Helgeson]

Logging PIC vs command time

Just remember that if you do choose to log it as PIC (which is legal) you may be setting yourself up for some trouble at an airline interview down the road. Aside from FAA, everyone else defines PIC as "command time" and they don't want to see anything else in your book in that column!

You can legally log it as per the FARs, but the above is a valid point. I had a friend get shot down in an interview because he didn't sign the log book as Captain, but legally logged PIC as per the FARs.

If you can legally sign for the A/C as PIC for the Part 91 flying, reposition, deadhead, etc., then I would tend to log the PIC time. Most interviews don't care what was in the back of the plane or the type of flying. Soon you will have the ATP and it won't be an issue. When you have 5000 hours for the interview, nobody is going to give two sh!ts about a couple hundred hours of part 91 PIC.

A little story:

An airline Captain/mentor questioned me about 6 hours I logged as PIC while acting as a safety pilot in a C172. I thought about it and asked if he logged the time while at crew rest in a first class seat on the B767? If there was a column to keep track of the Gadiva chocolates he took from the credenza while watching the movie?

Do what you think is best, but always have an FAR to back it up.

About the safety pilot time, I had one of the top FAA-guys in charge of FARs on the JS out of DCA and ran the scenario past him and he said I had logged it legally, but again, I guess I had better take out those six hours for the big airline interview!

 

[BD King]

Part 91? Rated and qualified? Log it.

 

[Bandit60]

You can legally log it as per the FARs, but the above is a valid point. I had a friend get shot down in an interview because he didn't sign the log book as Captain, but legally logged PIC as per the FARs.

If you can legally sign for the A/C as PIC for the Part 91 flying, reposition, deadhead, etc., then I would tend to log the PIC time. Most interviews don't care what was in the back of the plane or the type of flying. Soon you will have the ATP and it won't be an issue. When you have 5000 hours for the interview, nobody is going to give two sh!ts about a couple hundred hours of part 91 PIC.

A little story:

An airline Captain/mentor questioned me about 6 hours I logged as PIC while acting as a safety pilot in a C172. I thought about it and asked if he logged the time while at crew rest in a first class seat on the B767? If there was a column to keep track of the Gadiva chocolates he took from the credenza while watching the movie?

Do what you think is best, but always have an FAR to back it up.

About the safety pilot time, I had one of the top FAA-guys in charge of FARs on the JS out of DCA and ran the scenario past him and he said I had logged it legally, but again, I guess I had better take out those six hours for the big airline interview!

I don't have a column in my log book for captain. I have one for PIC.
How do you prove that you "signed out an aircraft" I fly every week as a capt. for my company and I have never "signed out an airplane"