I Really Hate Known Icing Conditions and LIFR

[NW_Pilot]

I Really Hate Known Icing & LIFR Conditions! Messes up my entire dam day! I Have this sweet GNS530 Equipped TR182 for ferry flight form KTTD to KFFZ! I Hope [FONT=&quot]Tomorrow[/FONT]'s weather is better! It is Forcast to be.

 

[414Flyer]

I heard TDTurbo is the one to ask about icing and 182s.

 

[FN FAL]

I heard TDTurbo is the one to ask about icing and 182s.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

A metro on climb out of the non-towered airport that I was going to land at gave center a pirep of, "Tops 4,600 light clear in the tops".

I started my ILS and at 4,600 feet I heard, "Splash" and I was covered in rime ice. I bet within a minute I had a half inch wide block on my oat gauge.

Nothing like having to keep cruise power in to maintain speed in a descent.

Fortunately, I hit an inversion again before I got on final. However, not enough ice melted on final for me to extend the flaps.

Moral of the story? There is none. You can get on top and fly across the entire country without getting any ice when they got known icing conditions in the forecasts and do it a million times without getting any ice. However...

 

[414Flyer]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

A metro on climb out of the non-towered airport that I was going to land at gave center a pirep of, "Tops 4,600 light clear in the tops".

I started my ILS and at 4,600 feet I heard, "Splash" and I was covered in rime ice. I bet within a minute I had a half inch wide block on my oat gauge.

Nothing like having to keep cruise power in to maintain speed in a descent.

Fortunately, I hit an inversion again before I got on final. However, not enough ice melted on final for me to extend the flaps.

Moral of the story? There is none. You can get on top and fly across the entire country without getting any ice when they got known icing conditions in the forecasts and do it a million times without getting any ice. However...

Sounds like you hit exactly where icing can be worst, that is in the tops of a stratus deck like that. You can be clean as can be, on top of it all, then starting a descent down thru it, and after a couple minutes, you get so much ice that you look like you have been flying thru the stuff your whole trip.

Its nice when temps on the ground are above freezing when that happens, but when its not, or even above but close to 32F, you really have to plan descents and approaches accordingly.

On a aside note of useless trivia, 32F is not the freezing point of water, it is the melting point.

 

[Swass]

Sounds like you hit exactly where icing can be worst, that is in the tops of a stratus deck like that. You can be clean as can be, on top of it all, then starting a descent down thru it, and after a couple minutes, you get so much ice that you look like you have been flying thru the stuff your whole trip.

Its nice when temps on the ground are above freezing when that happens, but when its not, or even above but close to 32F, you really have to plan descents and approaches accordingly.

On a aside note of useless trivia, 32F is not the freezing point of water, it is the melting point.

............... of ice.

 

[414Flyer]

Doh! There I go again.....

 

[FN FAL]

Doh! There I go again.....

Depends on whether you're a pessimist or an optimist.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Looks like [FONT=&quot]Tomorrow[/FONT] will be a good day,

 

[414Flyer]

Depends on whether you're a pessimist or an optimist.

Actually I thought about it, and I was correct anyways, since whether it is liquid, solid or gas, its still water. So water still has a melting point.

Yes, I was a science major.

 

[gfvalvo]

On a aside note of useless trivia, 32F is not the freezing point of water, it is the melting point.

I think it's both. Depends whether you are adding heat to or removing it from the system.

 

[AA717driver]

So, if you have an airplane on a conveyor belt in icing conditions... TC

 

[FN FAL]

Actually I thought about it, and I was correct anyways, since whether it is liquid, solid or gas, its still water. So water still has a melting point.

Yes, I was a science major.

It don't matter much to me anyway. Super Cooled water in a liquid state can't wait to freeze on what I got waiting for it. It's James Brown and James Brown is singing, "You got...you got...you got what I need! Huh!" Then it freezes on and it goes, "Gotta jump back and kiss myself!"

And if that ain't bad enough, I have two temperature gauges and they show different values, so I never know where my next accretion is coming from.

I just know when it's sliding off the windshield, cause that's a good thing.

 

[414Flyer]

I think it's both. Depends whether you are adding heat to or removing it from the system.

Solid water (ice) melts at 32F (0c), but it does not neccessarily freeze at that same temp. It can, but it can also stay liquid down to -40.

You can see times there is a big developing cumulous cloud, that has a lot of definition and texture to its appearance, meaning it is still liquid state, but it is going up into the altitudes where temps are well below freezing. That means the storm is still in its developing stages, still has a lot of energy to it.

Once its turned to ice, its appearance becomes fuzzy and wispy, with much of its energy gone.

 

[wheelsup]

Once its turned to ice, its appearance becomes fuzzy and wispy, with much of its energy gone.

You read that in Severe Weather Flying by Dennis Newton, didn't you?

~wheelsup

 

[414Flyer]

You read that in Severe Weather Flying by Dennis Newton, didn't you?

~wheelsup

Uhh no. Lets just say I have a lot of up close and personal flying experience dealing with storms and meteorology from weather modification (cloud seeding) projects. I also appear in a BBC video called "Wild weather" dealing with cloud seeding.

Besides, someone does not have to have read some book to be able to look at a storm to be able to tell that is is developing or is strong, because of its apperance. Rocket Science, it aint. Maybe a lot might not be able to tell you the exact science behind it (supercooled water, latent heat, etc) but they could tell from appearance what would be stronger.