I messed up at work today! :-(

[Lrjtcaptain]

Okay, so i'm an ex pilot...well, still a pilot but no longer full time pro...anyways, now im a controller. Well in my two years as a controller i can saw I've never lost seperation. I take this job serious. Well today I had to OD's(Opereational Deviations) not OE (Opperational Errors) I.E. DEALS....Loss of seperation. That sucks...And I got called on it, thank god by an outside line and not the recorded line. NCT and ZOA TMU weren't happy with me tonight. What the hell is up with Call For Releases to OAK. Sorry, missed it on the TMU board. If you were a FEDEX or SWA jet going into OAK tonight and had weird vectors to final for some of my feeders that didn't get the EDCT times and got off the ground. Sorry, my bad.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

okay, the next 2 pilot deviations in my airspace are freebee's to counteract my ignorance tonight....might have something to do with the fact that we were 2 understaffed and I was on position tonight for 6 hours without a break. But I'm gonna let all that slide, im better then that.

 

[gkrangers]

Been watching Pushing Tin lately?

 

[mnixon]

We all screw the preverbial pooch once in a while.

 

[sky37d]

Been watching Pushing Tin lately?

I really like the line, in the beginning, "land a million planes safely, no one says a word. One little mid-air, and they are all over you"

 

[STL717]

Did anyone get injured? No.

Learn from it.

We are all human and mistakes will happen.

 

[dhc8fo]

Did anyone get injured? No.

Learn from it.

We are all human and mistakes will happen.

DITTO!!

 

[Diesel]

That's what TCAS is for.

 

[NorthShore]

Do they still have the 3 deals and your fired thing, or was that just an urban legend?

 

[DrewBlows]

might have something to do with the fact that we were 2 understaffed and I was on position tonight for 6 hours without a break.

What are the legalities regarding rest? It seems to me that 6 hours without a break is too long for a controller. You guys have to be on all the time. I can't relate, but I imagine it's similar to our sim sessions (witch last four hours with a break in the middle, two hours PF, two hours PNF) and I know how I feel after the sim. I can't imagine six hours straight. Is this accurate? Are there slow times when you can take "micro naps" (times of brain inactivity)?

 

[zbwmy]

Six hours without a break? Time to join NATCA!

 

[PacoPollo]

So its ok for ATC to make "mistakes" without FAA enforcement.Wish it was the same for pilots.

 

[PCL_128]

So its ok for ATC to make "mistakes" without FAA enforcement.Wish it was the same for pilots.

So you've never made a mistake and ATC gave you a break and didn't report it for a pilot deviation? Give the guy a break. Everyone makes mistakes. Pilots screw up on crossing restrictions and such every day and controllers let it slide. Give them the same courtesy.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

Six hours without a break? Time to join NATCA!

Time to join? Please, IM the UNION REP at my facility. I don't loose seperation, an operation deviation is busting an LOA or putting a plane in another controllers airspace with out a handoff. Mine wasn't too severe and the sup and the flow guys at NCT really didn't care too much but I always try to run a tight ship.

 

[LXJ31]

Read Paco's profile and look at his typical response. He comes in a couple times a day, displays some douchebaggery on a couple threads and leaves. Perfect candidate for the "ignore" function.

 

[PacoPollo]

So you've never made a mistake and ATC gave you a break and didn't report it for a pilot deviation? Give the guy a break. Everyone makes mistakes. Pilots screw up on crossing restrictions and such every day and controllers let it slide. Give them the same courtesy.

Yeah I make mistakes but regardless I always cover my Azz. I dont take the controller words for it. CYA

 

[dhc8fo]

Time to join? Please, IM the UNION REP at my facility. I don't loose seperation, an operation deviation is busting an LOA or putting a plane in another controllers airspace with out a handoff. Mine wasn't too severe and the sup and the flow guys at NCT really didn't care too much but I always try to run a tight ship.

You are being WAAAAAY too hard on yourself. I think most all pilots and controllers (the good ones, anyway) are tough on themselves for every little thing they do well and not so well. I am glad that you have such high standards and am also glad that you recognize where you can make improvements. More of us need to do that more often.

 

[zbwmy]

Time to join? Please, IM the UNION REP at my facility. I don't loose seperation, an operation deviation is busting an LOA or putting a plane in another controllers airspace with out a handoff. Mine wasn't too severe and the sup and the flow guys at NCT really didn't care too much but I always try to run a tight ship.

Well....since you are the Rep I suggest you report to yourself that you went over two hours without a duty break and violated the contract.

 

[LJDRVR]

Lrjtcaptain;

Welcome to the club, you're another imperfect, fallible, human being. Use the mistakes to rededicate yourself to an error-free performance. Spend some time going over the events that led up to the OD's. Pick them apart piece by piece and use the understanding gained to color and shade your future performance as a controller.

Do you guys have an FAA version of an ASAP program, or are you stuck with the ASRS?

 

[RunUp]

douchebaggery

:laugh: Good one! Thanks for increasing my word power today. :laugh:

 

[Sim Sweat]

Read Paco's profile and look at his typical response. He comes in a couple times a day, displays some douchebaggery on a couple threads and leaves. Perfect candidate for the "ignore" function.

See it's OK to BE a douchebag, if you were born that way or just can't help it. But it's not OK to advertise it.
"I cover my own azz" ... Yeah, you're all azz.

 

[hawk16e]

Hey, Bro.

I was a radar operator at a SAM site in the mid 80's. Watching a crt for four hours at a time is tough. Six hours is brutal. Don't be so hard on yourself. Like some of the others said, learn from it.

 

[FN FAL]

Read Paco's profile and look at his typical response. He comes in a couple times a day, displays some douchebaggery on a couple threads and leaves. Perfect candidate for the "ignore" function.

If a tree falls in the forest and there's no one there to hear it, did a tree fall?