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Sorry everyone, but i must chime in again. It seems i have now lost two people i knew in the same day. I knew Will, he was a great guy. I talked with him a few times in ASG when i would stop in on my run. I know he just accepted another job out in CA to get him home, and he seemed pretty happy about that.
Man what a week....
God bless both Nick and Will
TXCAP4228: see the Gargo board for more info on Nick in TX
Man what a week....
God bless both Nick and Will
TXCAP4228: see the Gargo board for more info on Nick in TX
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skyking1976
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My heart is aching for these fine folks that are no longer with us on earth and their families too. It makes our furloughs/layoffs seem rather insignifcant. I lost a Chieftain-flying friend back in 2000 in Denver.... We miss you down here Tariq. There's just not enough tears in the world...
Onward and Upward,
Skyking
Onward and Upward,
Skyking
NoPlaneNoGain
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I was sitting in a hotel room in Killeen yesterday and had heard about the crash through a friend. My heart sank and my mind went numb.
When I flew for Texas Air Charter/Texstar we had lost a pilot, Brian Schroedor, in Del Rio, TX. The same feelings that I felt then came back when I heard N402ME had gone down in Lewisville. I had flown N402ME numerous times and It was my favorite aircraft of the fleet. It is truly a sad day.
I never knew Tetuay but I remember reading several of his posts. My condolences go out to his and the families and friends of the other lost pilots.
When I flew for Texas Air Charter/Texstar we had lost a pilot, Brian Schroedor, in Del Rio, TX. The same feelings that I felt then came back when I heard N402ME had gone down in Lewisville. I had flown N402ME numerous times and It was my favorite aircraft of the fleet. It is truly a sad day.
I never knew Tetuay but I remember reading several of his posts. My condolences go out to his and the families and friends of the other lost pilots.
exeagle
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This is a great article from a Denton newspaper about Nick. I think it needs to be posted here.
Pilot was fulfilling dream
Loved ones remember Corinth man killed in plane crash
12/06/2002
All Nicholas Hibberd ever wanted to do was fly
He was the youngest child born into a family of pilots. His father is a
23-year veteran pilot for Southwest Airlines. His brother, who gave him
his first flying lesson, also flies for Southwest. Even his sister,
whose husband flies for American Eagle, is a former pilot.
His ultimate goal was to join his father and brother as a pilot for
Southwest.
"I got on there at 28 and he was going to try to beat me," said his
brother Jeff.
But on Thursday officials identified Nicholas Troy Hibberd, 24, as the
pilot of the small plane that crashed in Shady Shores early Wednesday
morning. The plane, a Cessna 402, disintegrated on impact. Authorities
are still investigating the cause.
National Transportation Safety Board officials could not be reached for
comment. Officials said Wednesday that the investigation into the crash
will take weeks.
At 6:15 on the cold, dreary morning, he reported to air traffic
controllers that he was having trouble maintaining control of the plane.
A minute later, the plane crashed.
Friends and relatives gathered at the home of his parents, Larry and
Darlene Hibberd, in Corinth Thursday. They told a story of an
exceptional young man who had already accomplished more by 24 than most
people do in their lives, and with the promise of more to come.
His father said he was extremely close to his infant niece, Anna Botti.
"He and I always joked about being pals, buds, and all that, so she
became his best pal," he said.
A number of the family's friends are also pilots, and they said Nicholas
was an excellent pilot.
"Nicholas was such a good pilot that I asked him to be the instructor to
give my son his first solo in an airplane, which I think states real
clearly what a quality pilot he was," said Steve McPhail, who flew with
his father in Vietnam. "It was a big day for both of us when we watched
my son solo after getting instruction from Nicholas."
Charlie Brown, another Southwest pilot and friend of the family, agreed.
"My son flew with him to get his commercial certificate," he said.
Nicholas had been living at home, his father said, since he graduated in
May 2001 from the University of Texas, where he received an education
degree and earned university honors every semester. He had worked as a
flight instructor and had been working for TexStar Airfreight of Denton
for about four months, he said.
"In fact, he called us [the day before the crash] and said he was going
to be hired for a charter company in Addison flying jets," he said.
He also joined the 136th Airlift wing of the Texas Air National Guard.
Family members said that Lt. Col. Jim Conoly, acting wing commander, had
called Thursday to say that Nicholas would be a great loss to the unit.
He told the family that Nicholas was one of the hardest-working young
men he had ever worked with.
Nicholas also helped his mother do volunteer work for Meals on Wheels,
his father said.
"He was one of the most exceptional persons I've ever known," said Frank
Botti, who is married to Nicholas' sister, Cynthia. "Everything he did,
he did more than well, and from scholastic to operating an airplane, he
knew how to do everything to the best of his ability."
His brother, Jeff, said the family had lived in the area since Nicholas
was in preschool.
"He did extremely well in school and had lots of friends," he said.
He was an excellent student at Lake Dallas High School, where he
graduated in 1997, and he also was a star football and basketball
player, said school athletic director Scott Head, who coached Nicholas
in football.
"He was an exceptional individual and a great kid," Mr. Head said. "He
was the kid you dream about having as a coach. We enjoyed him. He's
going to be deeply missed by his friends and the teachers that were here
when he was. He was somebody you always wanted to see, and it's a shame
he's no longer with us."
This is a great article from a Denton newspaper about Nick. I think it needs to be posted here.
Pilot was fulfilling dream
Loved ones remember Corinth man killed in plane crash
12/06/2002
All Nicholas Hibberd ever wanted to do was fly
He was the youngest child born into a family of pilots. His father is a
23-year veteran pilot for Southwest Airlines. His brother, who gave him
his first flying lesson, also flies for Southwest. Even his sister,
whose husband flies for American Eagle, is a former pilot.
His ultimate goal was to join his father and brother as a pilot for
Southwest.
"I got on there at 28 and he was going to try to beat me," said his
brother Jeff.
But on Thursday officials identified Nicholas Troy Hibberd, 24, as the
pilot of the small plane that crashed in Shady Shores early Wednesday
morning. The plane, a Cessna 402, disintegrated on impact. Authorities
are still investigating the cause.
National Transportation Safety Board officials could not be reached for
comment. Officials said Wednesday that the investigation into the crash
will take weeks.
At 6:15 on the cold, dreary morning, he reported to air traffic
controllers that he was having trouble maintaining control of the plane.
A minute later, the plane crashed.
Friends and relatives gathered at the home of his parents, Larry and
Darlene Hibberd, in Corinth Thursday. They told a story of an
exceptional young man who had already accomplished more by 24 than most
people do in their lives, and with the promise of more to come.
His father said he was extremely close to his infant niece, Anna Botti.
"He and I always joked about being pals, buds, and all that, so she
became his best pal," he said.
A number of the family's friends are also pilots, and they said Nicholas
was an excellent pilot.
"Nicholas was such a good pilot that I asked him to be the instructor to
give my son his first solo in an airplane, which I think states real
clearly what a quality pilot he was," said Steve McPhail, who flew with
his father in Vietnam. "It was a big day for both of us when we watched
my son solo after getting instruction from Nicholas."
Charlie Brown, another Southwest pilot and friend of the family, agreed.
"My son flew with him to get his commercial certificate," he said.
Nicholas had been living at home, his father said, since he graduated in
May 2001 from the University of Texas, where he received an education
degree and earned university honors every semester. He had worked as a
flight instructor and had been working for TexStar Airfreight of Denton
for about four months, he said.
"In fact, he called us [the day before the crash] and said he was going
to be hired for a charter company in Addison flying jets," he said.
He also joined the 136th Airlift wing of the Texas Air National Guard.
Family members said that Lt. Col. Jim Conoly, acting wing commander, had
called Thursday to say that Nicholas would be a great loss to the unit.
He told the family that Nicholas was one of the hardest-working young
men he had ever worked with.
Nicholas also helped his mother do volunteer work for Meals on Wheels,
his father said.
"He was one of the most exceptional persons I've ever known," said Frank
Botti, who is married to Nicholas' sister, Cynthia. "Everything he did,
he did more than well, and from scholastic to operating an airplane, he
knew how to do everything to the best of his ability."
His brother, Jeff, said the family had lived in the area since Nicholas
was in preschool.
"He did extremely well in school and had lots of friends," he said.
He was an excellent student at Lake Dallas High School, where he
graduated in 1997, and he also was a star football and basketball
player, said school athletic director Scott Head, who coached Nicholas
in football.
"He was an exceptional individual and a great kid," Mr. Head said. "He
was the kid you dream about having as a coach. We enjoyed him. He's
going to be deeply missed by his friends and the teachers that were here
when he was. He was somebody you always wanted to see, and it's a shame
he's no longer with us."
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210FR8DOG
Flight Express
It is with a very heavy heart that I must say the pilot at Flight Express was my good friend who flew to the same airport as I did 5 days a week. He was the closest thing I had to a co-worker since we do all of this alone. He did have a wife in Los Angeles and he commuted home every weekend and talked to her every night on the phone. He had just accepted a flying job in the Los Angeles area so he could be at home and he was just finishing his last few weeks with the company. They were expecting their first child in February. I have been sad and numb for the last few days so I haven't had the heart to get on the computer. After seeing all the posts for Nick(Tetauy) I felt compelled to say something and I would hope and assume that the same sentiments would go for William Ford as well. He was a great pilot and a great friend. I also talked to Nick on the computer as I am a native of North Texas. I never met him in person but I could tell by the PMs between us that he was a great guy. God Bless these two fine men and their families.
Jeff
Eagleflip, thanks for that post, it put a small smile on a face that hasn't seen one for days now. Thank you, really.
Hyper, Will and Nick left us on the same day, hence maybe the confusion on the type of plane and tail #. The 210 was 210CT, also one of our best planes, as if it matters at all.
414 Flyer, hey Ron, thanks for the concern, I should have e-mailed, it never occured to me that people I know would wonder if it was me.
C210drvr, PM me so I know who you are, I guess you already know me
It is with a very heavy heart that I must say the pilot at Flight Express was my good friend who flew to the same airport as I did 5 days a week. He was the closest thing I had to a co-worker since we do all of this alone. He did have a wife in Los Angeles and he commuted home every weekend and talked to her every night on the phone. He had just accepted a flying job in the Los Angeles area so he could be at home and he was just finishing his last few weeks with the company. They were expecting their first child in February. I have been sad and numb for the last few days so I haven't had the heart to get on the computer. After seeing all the posts for Nick(Tetauy) I felt compelled to say something and I would hope and assume that the same sentiments would go for William Ford as well. He was a great pilot and a great friend. I also talked to Nick on the computer as I am a native of North Texas. I never met him in person but I could tell by the PMs between us that he was a great guy. God Bless these two fine men and their families.
Jeff
Eagleflip, thanks for that post, it put a small smile on a face that hasn't seen one for days now. Thank you, really.
Hyper, Will and Nick left us on the same day, hence maybe the confusion on the type of plane and tail #. The 210 was 210CT, also one of our best planes, as if it matters at all.
414 Flyer, hey Ron, thanks for the concern, I should have e-mailed, it never occured to me that people I know would wonder if it was me.
C210drvr, PM me so I know who you are, I guess you already know me
Ty Webb
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Guys, I am so sorry to hear of your losses.
If it is of any consolation, I was in a GA accident that nearly killed me (16 years ago) and I don't remember being scared, I only remember trying to recover (low altitude stall/spin), and even though I was badly injured (I spent almost a year in a wheelchair) the crash itself was not scary nor painful. . . . that came a few hours later, in the hospital.
I guess what I am trying to say here is don't torment yourself wondering if your friends suffered, because they were likely preoccupied with flying the airplane to the end, as we all would be.
My heart goes out to the friends and families of these two men. Please see Timebuilder's other post about starting some sort of fund.
If it is of any consolation, I was in a GA accident that nearly killed me (16 years ago) and I don't remember being scared, I only remember trying to recover (low altitude stall/spin), and even though I was badly injured (I spent almost a year in a wheelchair) the crash itself was not scary nor painful. . . . that came a few hours later, in the hospital.
I guess what I am trying to say here is don't torment yourself wondering if your friends suffered, because they were likely preoccupied with flying the airplane to the end, as we all would be.
My heart goes out to the friends and families of these two men. Please see Timebuilder's other post about starting some sort of fund.
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fulcrum
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hi guys i think it is time we started a website or something similar to honor fellow CFI's friegt dogs, pilots who die while doing thier job . and maybe we can have a small fundraiser or something similar to that and start a small scholarship in the names of these wonderful people
Remember what Richard bach said
"Can miles truly separate you from friends... If you want to be with someone you love, aren't you already there? "
fulcrum
Remember what Richard bach said
"Can miles truly separate you from friends... If you want to be with someone you love, aren't you already there? "
fulcrum
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falcondriver
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redshirt
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fundraiser idea
Fulcrum:
Regarding the fundraiser idea, check out a thread by Timebuilder called "a modest proposal". He proposed a similar idea, to set up a fund that would provide financial assistance to the families that lose pilots in work related accidents. It could be funded by contributions solicited from this web site, as well as other similar web sites/professional organizations, etc.
To be honest, I have no idea how to go about this. I have a friend with some experience managing charities, and I am awaiting a call back from her. It may be just as simple as going to a bank and setting up an account, or there may be tax and reporting issues that I am not familiar with. My limited research so far has let me to the IRS:
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=96099,00.html
And to a centralized state charity registration form:
http://www.nonprofits.org/library/gov/urs/a_tp_urs1.htm
Are there any members out there who have any legal/accounting/administrative experience with this kind of thing? It can't be that hard, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel trying to figure it out if I can avoid it.
I am sure there are plenty of people who would be happy to make a contribution. We just need some help getting started.
Fulcrum:
Regarding the fundraiser idea, check out a thread by Timebuilder called "a modest proposal". He proposed a similar idea, to set up a fund that would provide financial assistance to the families that lose pilots in work related accidents. It could be funded by contributions solicited from this web site, as well as other similar web sites/professional organizations, etc.
To be honest, I have no idea how to go about this. I have a friend with some experience managing charities, and I am awaiting a call back from her. It may be just as simple as going to a bank and setting up an account, or there may be tax and reporting issues that I am not familiar with. My limited research so far has let me to the IRS:
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=96099,00.html
And to a centralized state charity registration form:
http://www.nonprofits.org/library/gov/urs/a_tp_urs1.htm
Are there any members out there who have any legal/accounting/administrative experience with this kind of thing? It can't be that hard, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel trying to figure it out if I can avoid it.
I am sure there are plenty of people who would be happy to make a contribution. We just need some help getting started.
Rook
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thought this excerpt would fit from Ernest Gann's Fate is the hunter.
""Unporting is the balance destruction of the elevators by aerodynamic force. I won't confuse you with theory, but if enough separation occurs, your airplane will go into a vertical dive or even beyond the vertical, and no two men in the world are strong enough to bring it out. This can be caused by a missing hinge bolt." He sighed heavily and drew wavelike lines on the table, then an airplane diving for the lines. He sketched another airplane more precisely and marked its approximate center of gravity. "Did you slow down when you first noticed the vibration? You did not because you had no fear of it. But if you had been the nervous type, if you slowed down, the center of gravity would have changed. That would have been quite enough to complete the process of unporting which had partially begun." "The vibration really wasn't very bad." "It doesn't take much. But let us assume another pilot would have reacted in the same way. It would only have postponed the inevitable. As soon as the time came for a normal power reduction and it was accomplished, unporting would begin. But not you. In the past you had lost all four engines wo many times, the prospect of losing one gave you relatively lettle concern. So you sat there, fat, dumb, and happy, and you canceled all power reductions. This brilliant decision saved your life the first time that day." I could think of nothing to say but a series of well...well's. Howard held up one finger and then raised a second beside it. "This was not enough," he said, and I saw that he was exasperated. "You landed at Burbank and desembarked twenty-one passengers. God alone knows why, but you took on just enough fuel to make up the difference in losing their weight. Even so your center of gravity would have been changed enough so that unporting was more likely than not. But..." He moved a third finger up beside the others. "You were in a hurry to reach Oakland so you could go about your silly sailing. As a result, and don't try to deny it because the figures are in the logbook, you used full gross weight cruising power all the way and your speed was correspondingly high..." He paused, touched at his mustache, and stared at me incredulously. Then he spoke very slowly, clipping off each word as if he intended to impress them on my memory forever. "I would look at you quite differently if I thought you had planned what we eventually discovered. We had some long sessions with our slide rules and we found, my friend, that you had arranged the only possible combination of power, speed, and weight which would blockade the chances of unporting." Later when the wine had mellowed us both, I asked Howard if his slide rule could measure the fate of one man against another's.
Godspeed to all of the Brothers and sisters, friends and family of those that we've lost in aviation. We stand at our glasses ready and will all see you again.
Rook
""Unporting is the balance destruction of the elevators by aerodynamic force. I won't confuse you with theory, but if enough separation occurs, your airplane will go into a vertical dive or even beyond the vertical, and no two men in the world are strong enough to bring it out. This can be caused by a missing hinge bolt." He sighed heavily and drew wavelike lines on the table, then an airplane diving for the lines. He sketched another airplane more precisely and marked its approximate center of gravity. "Did you slow down when you first noticed the vibration? You did not because you had no fear of it. But if you had been the nervous type, if you slowed down, the center of gravity would have changed. That would have been quite enough to complete the process of unporting which had partially begun." "The vibration really wasn't very bad." "It doesn't take much. But let us assume another pilot would have reacted in the same way. It would only have postponed the inevitable. As soon as the time came for a normal power reduction and it was accomplished, unporting would begin. But not you. In the past you had lost all four engines wo many times, the prospect of losing one gave you relatively lettle concern. So you sat there, fat, dumb, and happy, and you canceled all power reductions. This brilliant decision saved your life the first time that day." I could think of nothing to say but a series of well...well's. Howard held up one finger and then raised a second beside it. "This was not enough," he said, and I saw that he was exasperated. "You landed at Burbank and desembarked twenty-one passengers. God alone knows why, but you took on just enough fuel to make up the difference in losing their weight. Even so your center of gravity would have been changed enough so that unporting was more likely than not. But..." He moved a third finger up beside the others. "You were in a hurry to reach Oakland so you could go about your silly sailing. As a result, and don't try to deny it because the figures are in the logbook, you used full gross weight cruising power all the way and your speed was correspondingly high..." He paused, touched at his mustache, and stared at me incredulously. Then he spoke very slowly, clipping off each word as if he intended to impress them on my memory forever. "I would look at you quite differently if I thought you had planned what we eventually discovered. We had some long sessions with our slide rules and we found, my friend, that you had arranged the only possible combination of power, speed, and weight which would blockade the chances of unporting." Later when the wine had mellowed us both, I asked Howard if his slide rule could measure the fate of one man against another's.
Godspeed to all of the Brothers and sisters, friends and family of those that we've lost in aviation. We stand at our glasses ready and will all see you again.
Rook
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aviatrix
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To Will!!!!
The Flight Express pilot who was killed Wednesday was my friend, co-worker, and roommate and I just want to publicly express my sadness and shock!
I know "210Fr8dog" has already given some specifics about what happened.
Will was an absolutely wonderful person! I had only known him for about six months, but he was a great friend and mentor! The night that this unfortunate accident happened, I was sitting on the cargo ramp in SGF in snow waiting for him to land and taxi over to swap cargo loads!
I still have not returned to "normal"............whatever that is! I just thank everyone for their kind words of support!
To those of you who pray, please include Will and his family in your prayers!
Thanks!
The Flight Express pilot who was killed Wednesday was my friend, co-worker, and roommate and I just want to publicly express my sadness and shock!
I know "210Fr8dog" has already given some specifics about what happened.
Will was an absolutely wonderful person! I had only known him for about six months, but he was a great friend and mentor! The night that this unfortunate accident happened, I was sitting on the cargo ramp in SGF in snow waiting for him to land and taxi over to swap cargo loads!
I still have not returned to "normal"............whatever that is! I just thank everyone for their kind words of support!
To those of you who pray, please include Will and his family in your prayers!
Thanks!
Timebuilder
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Fulcrum, here is the thread that redshirt has referenced:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=102743#post102743
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=102743#post102743
LR25
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Hey Timebuilder, I would like to try and do something for the families specifically by the upcoming holiday. Maybe if not a fund but a "group" offering of support in the form of a letter and prayers, specifically for the spouces.
Does anybody know how reach these individuals by mail?
As I stated before, I think that thoughts and prayer will be a positive note for the people that need it most.
It would be from the aviation community that these people were part of here.
I guess the biggest hurdle will be the logistics.
Does anybody know how reach these individuals by mail?
As I stated before, I think that thoughts and prayer will be a positive note for the people that need it most.
It would be from the aviation community that these people were part of here.
I guess the biggest hurdle will be the logistics.
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