I know about GJ, but

[mack82]

do Mesa pilots stand at a disadvantage of getting major jobs because of their reputation amongst the other regionals? Any info would be appreciated.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I always wanted to be the 2nd post on a 10 page thread.

 

[TWA Dude]

I'm sure there are a few anecdotal stories of specific interviewers who had some kind of opinion about some regionals yet the truth is that the Majors couldn't care less about which regional you flew for.

 

[Beantown]

I'm sure there are a few anecdotal stories of specific interviewers who had some kind of opinion about some regionals yet the truth is that the Majors couldn't care less about which regional you flew for.

Bingo!!! -Bean

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Beantown's right, wear a suit and don't blow it, nobody cares where you flew as long as you're not on a list somewhere you'll be fine.

 

[Turtlesfly]

This might actually help you if you wanted to go to CAL . . . don't go to XJT

 

[sflax]

Why would just put Mesa in this question, you must be ignorant. What did Mesa do the piss off the majors? They may have pissed off other regionals, but that is it.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Why would just put Mesa in this question, you must be ignorant. What did Mesa do the piss off the majors? They may have pissed off other regionals, but that is it.

A time will come when regional pilots will be staffing all of those majors and helping to conduct their interviews. As unlikely as it seems given the current condition of the industry, guys are always retiring and there will always be a rotation. Sometimes it just doesn't come as quick as we like.

As far as the original question. Who knows....I guess it just depends on who is doing the interview and what their background is. I certainly wouldn't say that the possibly isn't there to one day have a guy doing a major airline interview that flew for a carrier undercut by Mesa during his regional days.

 

[A350]

All:

It would appear that anyone who is fortunate to get on with a JB, SWA, or AAI, or any of the other mainline carriers, when they decide to hire again, AND further is asked to do interviews/hiring....you can bet your butt they won't be worried about what regional you worked for and they sure as hell don't carry lists around. Ask anyone in HR about that kind of nonsense and they will tell you that it is not only illegal, but puts the company in harms way as far as litigation.

A350

 

[tomcash]

do Mesa pilots stand at a disadvantage of getting major jobs because of their reputation amongst the other regionals? Any info would be appreciated.

Mack82 brings light to a thought provoking question by essentially inquiring if his career goals may be impaired for adding to his resume a company of Mesa Airlines' low stature amongst virtually the entire airline industry.

Of course, it seems obvious that garnishing years of experience at a company that seems to have excelled to the most hideous reputation amongst the industry will have unpleasant consequences.

However, a deeper question looms on the horizon for Mack82. Is your sole concern to leverage yourself into a high paying job as an airline pilot for a major airline?, as quickly as possible and with that contributing to the demise of your potential career?

Employees of Mesa Airlines may not be entirely malicious, in fact I would venture to say the company employs some fairly civilized members; members that have trouble visualizing what role their contribution plays in this industry.

To answer to your question, absolutely. Mesa's personnel will in effect be railroading their own attempts at career success both directly and indirectly. Directly because of the vile reputation they hold amongst their industry peers. Indirectly, of course, because of their unrelenting contributions to the demise of the industry in which they are employed.

Mack82, by thinking before jumping at the first opportunity you have to fly an aircraft with jet engines, you may be on your way to a career more successful than those with branded reputations in this industry.

Do not associate with an organization without merit. Strive to be the best yourself and disassociate yourself with the debris of this industry.

Good luck,
cash

 

[mrnolmts]

I always wanted to be the 2nd post on a 10 page thread.

ROFLMAO!

 

[SkyBoy1981]

All:

It would appear that anyone who is fortunate to get on with a JB, SWA, or AAI, or any of the other mainline carriers, when they decide to hire again, AND further is asked to do interviews/hiring....you can bet your butt they won't be worried about what regional you worked for and they sure as hell don't carry lists around. Ask anyone in HR about that kind of nonsense and they will tell you that it is not only illegal, but puts the company in harms way as far as litigation.

A350

I think you are right. Most people would probably be over this nonsense by then.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

To answer to your question, absolutely. Mesa's personnel will in effect be railroading their own attempts at career success both directly and indirectly. Directly because of the vile reputation they hold amongst their industry peers. Indirectly, of course, because of their unrelenting contributions to the demise of the industry in which they are employed.

Complete BS. And, by BS I mean Crap from a Bull....

If you've got the time and have enough letters you will get the interview. Whether or not you get the job will be a function of how well you do in the interview.

Directly because of the vile reputation they hold amongst their industry peers

TomCash obviously a flamer... Yes, I do mean gay as well....

TomCash: Posts: 4 Joined: January 2006 AC Flown: NoneRatings Non Pilot

Dude if you're gonna get in a fight, at least come to the table like you mean it.

 

[tomcash]

Dude if you're gonna get in a fight, at least come to the table like you mean it.

GrogSitsReserve,

I did not mean to offend anyone directly with my humble response towards the thread's originator. With your lavish experience in the higher echelons at Mesa Airlines, you obviously landed your dream position in the airline industry.

 

[Twotter Driver]

We have guys here at mesa leaving all the time for Southwest, JetBlue, FedEx, UPS, Airtran, CAL, Kalitta, Gemeni, just to name a few!
It seems to me that the majors only care about your flight experience and or who you know. They can care less what regional you fly for!

Beleive it or not, we have also had Freedum A-listers go to JBLU, FEDEX and one very recently to SWA.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

1.5 years fr8 dog, 3.9 years MESA, 1.1 years and counting America West. Doing just fine; where you working TomCash?

Oh, and as for

did not mean to offend anyone directly with my humble response towards the thread's originator

I believe you were trying to offend almost everyone here. But, I fell into the trap and answered. Dang it all!

Should have stayed in my cave........

 

[Twotter Driver]

Oh yeah, I forgot! When AWA was hiring, they took more pilots from Mesa than any other airline.

 

[210FR8DOG]

the Mesa kids look like a church youth group compared to the slime-balls at Gayjets.

 

[FlyHIToo]

the Mesa kids look like a church youth group compared to the slime-balls at Gayjets.

But the guys at GJ are makeing more money than the church boys at MESA.

 

[sflax]

I do understand one thing, is that Mesa is a cheap airline. I work for them, but I do not understand how people can rip on the hard working pilots, that take the abuse for a management problem. I like whom I fly with on a daily basis, but do not support management in many of their decisions. I just think from a pilots stand point, we need to stop grouping the hard working pilots, whom are trying to make this place better from the slime ball management.

 

[labbats]

I do understand one thing, is that Mesa is a cheap airline. I work for them, but I do not understand how people can rip on the hard working pilots, that take the abuse for a management problem. I like whom I fly with on a daily basis, but do not support management in many of their decisions. I just think from a pilots stand point, we need to stop grouping the hard working pilots, whom are trying to make this place better from the slime ball management.

Here's another quote for you...

If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem.

I have met some of the Mesa folks, and they are cool peeps. However, they are supporting the very conditions that are forced on all other regionals now. If you want to go to Mesa for a year and get out, you'll find no complaints from me. But what's to keep you there after a year? Nothing. Nothing at all. Stay more than a year, and you have become just another burden to you and me to getting closer to flying at a major, with all the perks that go along with it.

 

[tomcash]

I do understand one thing, is that Mesa is a cheap airline. I work for them, but I do not understand how people can rip on the hard working pilots, that take the abuse for a management problem. I like whom I fly with on a daily basis, but do not support management in many of their decisions. I just think from a pilots stand point, we need to stop grouping the hard working pilots, whom are trying to make this place better from the slime ball management.

Posts from GrogSitsReserve and this user further exaggerate the lack of industry awareness by this particular group.

By "passing the buck" towards those that manage you, you are surrendering your career future to a group with a deep history of taking advantage of your weakness.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

TomCash, how is this thread ever going to make it to 10 pages if you keep spewing lame crap like that?

Come on boy say something really inflammatory, like Mesa is a place that guys who couldn't get a real job go, or *************************s is for losers with drug habits.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Oh TomCash, where do you work, what is your background? Why can't I type Go Jets?

 

[TWA Dude]

A time will come when regional pilots will be staffing all of those majors and helping to conduct their interviews.

Funny, people were saying that ten years ago during the height of the PFT craze. IMHO even if it does come to pass it won't change anything.

To nobody in particular:
We as professional pilots love to speak as if we are all in this together but there is no such unity, there never has been, and there never shall be. The reasons are not necessarily selfish, in fact, I argue that they're merely competitive: we fly for competing companies. We all want job security, advancement opportunity, and of course pay and benefits, but we can't all have it simultaneously. The proberbial bar may get raised or lowered but if it isn't at one company it'll be at another. Our profession is in such doo-doo these days because of market conditions and not due to any supposed lack of unity. A strong union may have its day in the sunshine but dusk always follows and the market wins in the end.

I don't propose backing down from the fight but expectations do need to be realistic. Furtheremore, the childish blaming of other pilots that goes on here and unfortunately on the line in the form of Jumpseat Politicing does us all more harm than good. It's not logical to blame Mesa pilots or any of the other Small Jet operators for our industry's predicament. Management runs the airlines, not the unions. United's pilots won big in the 2000 "Summer of Love" and Comair's won big after their strike -- good for them but look where it got them. My point isn't that they shouldn't of won but that in the current environment we should view as inevitable their eventual downfall. There will always be another Mesa, JetBlue, or whomever undercutting the competition just as there'll always be pilots to fly for them. This is how life is outside the aviation industry so it shouldn't surprise anybody here.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

As always TWADude you're spot on. I stand by my post early on, it doesn't matter where you get your time, just get your time.

Does this mean go to work at Mesa? Sure it does, you'll hate nearly every minute of it so at least you won't get comfortable and end up staying.

As for lists, if I ever get on a hiring board you can bet I will have every list out there, especially the Freedom A list and the GJ list.

 

[A350]

And if HR catches you with a list, you will have a very short career on the hiring committee.

A350

 

[dvmthwsvan]

Eventually Mesa will be the only regional after they undercut everybody else. Then the majors will have to hire from them. So it really shouldnt matter.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

And if HR catches you with a list, you will have a very short career on the hiring committee.

Its on my PDA, I'll just check it before each interview.... Like anyone is gonna let me on a hiring committee, lol.