I hate to ask ... Logging KA90/200 right-seat Pt 91 ...

[DAS at 10/250]

You gotta beleive that any MEI in the left seat is logging PIC whenever he's sitting there. When the poop hits the pavement, no matter who is flying, the feds will come down hardest on the MEI, whether the left-seat pilot has 10k hours or 10.

Sorry, but not true. The feds will come down on the acting PIC. It doesn't matter who has the most time and the addition of an MEI means nothing. Just because an intructor is on board does not mean that they are PIC.

 

[Snakum]

Just wondering what it might cost to become the 'fully qualified pic-sometimes-but-gear-slapper-and-button-pusher' in a King air now adays???

It's a paid position for those with a Comm and ME, but congrats on turning into a PFT thread, anyway. It was only a matter of time. We should have taken bets on how long it'd go before that started.

Minh

I knew I'd be sorry I ever asked the question.

 

[HMR]

Sorry, but not true. The feds will come down on the acting PIC. It doesn't matter who has the most time and the addition of an MEI means nothing. Just because an intructor is on board does not mean that they are PIC.

Just curious: what makes you say this? Are you a Fed? It's been my experience that the Fed's will come down on everyone they can. Everytime I've seen an incident when an MEI was on board, the Feds went after him/her too.

 

[Snakum]

C'mon guys ... it ain't no big dealie. Group hug everyone!

Minh
(Where's Avbug when we really need him? )

 

[HMR]

I knew I'd be sorry I ever asked the question.

It was a legit question. Sometimes we forget how bad we wanted to ride in a King Air when we were building the first few hundred hours.

When I flew King Airs, I would try to take along a CFI friend or aspiring pilot from our office whenever I could. With the boss' permission, I would put them in the left seat on the empty legs and sign their logbook when we were done. If they were properly rated/endorsed, it was logged as PIC/Dual Received. If not, it was just Dual Received. There was a 19 year old kid who washed our A/C and could shoot an ILS/grease a landing better than half our line pilots (must've had a good MEI).

The King Air is one of the easiest flying twins out there. It's a GREAT plane for introducing someone to turbine ops.

I've seen A LOT of situations like the one you're in now. It usually doesn't amount to much loggable time. However, it's a great opportunity to learn and if you can get 10hrs "Dual Received"-Go for it!

 

[Snakum]

Thanks H, I got the low-down from the people running the thing, and will log exactly as they recommended. I really appreciate all the info, though.

Minh

 

[Snakum]

More news ... Yesterday I had my name given to the CP of another, more local, King Air operator who does something similar (uses low-time guys for some right-seat trips). From the info so far from our Sale Manager, it is also a fractional/jointly-owned King Air. Supposed to get a call next week sometime, and was told to call him if I didn't.

Anyone trying to find CFI work around here will tell you ... there isn't any. I know three people who've been looking for a year, and only one has found a CFI slot, and he has to drive 50+ miles for single-engine only time.

It just goes to show ... there are things out there, and you just have to get out and beat the bushes to see what shakes out.

If anyone from central NC is interested in one of the KA things, I'd be glad to put your name in the pot. If, for whatever reason, I'm not able to do one or the other part-time (I still have to get a COMM), there's no reason for me not to help someone else get in the door.

Minh