I gotta ask this....I need help fast!

[bell47]

I was informed by the capt. that I fly with that I should sit down and memorize the approach charts the night before a flight. I have never heard of this, but he told me that was how it was done when flying jets. I'll usually read the approach plate for where I'm going ahead of trip but I don't memorize it, thats why you carry the charts! He made it sound as if there may be a TEST! LOL! Pleeeease read my thread below on training contracts. This job is getting bad really fast. He informed me that he could fly ANYTHING and that he knows best. I just can't deal with this guy's attitude anymore. I can't learn this aircraft(I have about 10 hours in this small jet), with out a little help, and I'm not getting any from him. He really gets in a HUGE nervous rush before take off, and starts compaining about me keeping up. Hell, I can only read the checklist so da#n fast! Like I said please read my thread below about training contracts, because this is not working out at all. P.S. Who's Hiring?

 

[CA1900]

I was informed by the capt. that I fly with that I should sit down and memorize the approach charts the night before a flight. I have never heard of this, but he told me that was how it was done when flying jets.

Absolutely the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. That's the kind of thing that can lead to disaster. We don't recite checklists from memory, either, and for exactly the same reasons.

I'll usually read the approach plate for where I'm going ahead of trip but I don't memorize it, thats why you carry the charts!

That's exactly right. Reviewing approach charts for your planned airports is good planning. Trying to memorize them is foolish, and a waste of brainpower. Professional crews don't do that -- even "in jets."

He really gets in a HUGE nervous rush before take off, and starts compaining about me keeping up. Hell, I can only read the checklist so da#n fast!

This guy sounds like a crash waiting to happen. Your job-hunting instincts are right on track.

 

[nosedragger]

bell 47, do what he says...HE'S THE CAPTAIN and can have you removed.

My friend, first officer for Continental Express, could not keep up on a milk run through Texas and Lousiana. He was responsible for air/nav, etc. explained he was tired, hungary and needed to pee. Captain stopped taxing in Lafayette and said either quit when we get back or I will have you fired, apply again in a year. He resigned and now has a good job with Continental.

Good Luck.

(try to do exactly what he wants or move as fast as you can to get close to it and tell him of your progress or ask advice on how to "get er dun".

 

[72f8dawg]

You will see this guy and his brother and uncle many more times in your carrer. There is no reason to have to memize the charts. You are correct, Thats why we carry them with us. There is no easy way to please these weak d**k capts sometimes. Try to "keep up" by knowing the checklist, Also don't be late or give him any ammo to shoot you down with. There are alot of good pilots, but there are a few still out there. All of us had to do it so keep your nose clean and it will get better.

 

[Koslen]

This guy sounds like a real jerk!

Hang in there. Just remind yourself. If you can handle working with this guy. You will be able to handle flying with anyone. He will get his someday.:uzi:

later :beer:

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

The guy is an idiot.


Find a new job.

 

[NewBlue]

Ask him why he bothers to have the charts on the aircraft if he has them all memorized. I doubt anyone would trust something that important to memory in any event.

 

[bell47]

Guys I just turned in my letter of resignation tonight, I didn't give two weeks notice but I didn't feel safe flying with this guy so i quit. This is the first time in my life that I've had to quit like this. I feel absolutley awful, but better than dead or violated by the feds. I was always told when I was learning to fly, know when enough is enough. I tried to talk to the guy last night but he really acted like I was the problem, He tries to turn everything around to be my fault. I really tried to make this work, I don't know what I could have done differently. i really hate this whole situation.

 

[Draginass]

Why didn't you talk to the Chief Pilot??? One captain's comments arent' going to get you fired. In fact, the jerk probably already has a reputation in the Chief Pilot's office and if you went and talked to him, he'd probably hold his hand up and say, "that's ok, I know about him. I'll take care of it." First thing tomorrow morning, call your Chief Pilot and try and set this straight.

In my 25 years of flying experience, both in the military and part 121, poor leadership qualities and lack of self confidence/flying abliity manifest themselves in behavior like you say your Captain was exhibiting.

 

[bell47]

He is the chief pilot, it's only two of us that work there.

 

[Flybet3]

Guys I just turned in my letter of resignation tonight, I didn't give two weeks notice but I didn't feel safe flying with this guy so i quit. This is the first time in my life that I've had to quit like this. I feel absolutley awful, but better than dead or violated by the feds. I was always told when I was learning to fly, know when enough is enough. I tried to talk to the guy last night but he really acted like I was the problem, He tries to turn everything around to be my fault. I really tried to make this work, I don't know what I could have done differently. i really hate this whole situation.

Hey Bell, I'm sorry to hear that.....you did the right thing, I probably wouldn't have given him a letter of resignation. Just a good punch on the nose, that's what you have to do with diks like that....I know how it feels to fly with someone that always has to bitch about everything and everyone and always think that the whole world is wrong and they are right. Good luck my friend, what type of aircraft are you flying??

 

[bell47]

It was a Diamond Jet( MU-300)

 

[Flybet3]

It was a Diamond Jet( MU-300)

hmmm have you though about going to FlightOps or something like that....you surely meet the times and req. Where are you currently based?

 

[bell47]

yeah I thought about it. I would like to fly freight if I could find the right job. Another Caravan position would be great. Maybe something in MEM. I just don't know about the corporate world, but maybe I'm a little spooked after this fiasco with this captain.

 

[b747dogg]

bell 47, do what he says...HE'S THE CAPTAIN and can have you removed.

My friend, first officer for Continental Express, could not keep up on a milk run through Texas and Lousiana. He was responsible for air/nav, etc. explained he was tired, hungary and needed to pee. Captain stopped taxing in Lafayette and said either quit when we get back or I will have you fired, apply again in a year. He resigned and now has a good job with Continental.

Good Luck.

(try to do exactly what he wants or move as fast as you can to get close to it and tell him of your progress or ask advice on how to "get er dun".

nosedragger do you spit or swallow??? Have a little back bone!

 

[b747dogg]

Why didn't you talk to the Chief Pilot??? One captain's comments arent' going to get you fired. In fact, the jerk probably already has a reputation in the Chief Pilot's office and if you went and talked to him, he'd probably hold his hand up and say, "that's ok, I know about him. I'll take care of it." First thing tomorrow morning, call your Chief Pilot and try and set this straight.

In my 25 years of flying experience, both in the military and part 121, poor leadership qualities and lack of self confidence/flying abliity manifest themselves in behavior like you say your Captain was exhibiting.

Draginass is right on!!!!

 

[cforst513]

Draginass is right on!!!!

in theory, this would be the thing to do. but he already stated that said jerk-ass captain is the chief pilot. kinda tough to complain about someone to their face and have them take you seriously or have them change their ways. he made the right choice by resigning. good luck, bell.

 

[nosedragger]

I always like a good challenge...obviously you don't or cann't or will not. how about a gppd facial?

 

[b747dogg]

I always like a good challenge...obviously you don't or cann't or will not. how about a gppd facial?

Whatever the Captain wants!!!

 

[Nocturnal1]

Here's a few thoughts on your plight. First things first, a timely call to the servicing FSDO would not only be satisfying but in order. The reason this "guy" was riding your posterior was because he was peddalin as fast as he could.

I've always found that there are three kind of pilots:
1) Those with "it". Naturally great in the airplane, hi level of SA, and normally mediocre with the books. Usually are wired into the airplane;feel it, smell it, etc.
2) Those who wish they had "it". Will be mediocre on their best day, average to below average SA, brillant with the books. Normally have to "memorize" a great deal--approach plates, all systems, etc.
3) Those that don't have a clue what "it" is. Have no business in an airplane unless as a passenger. I personnally don't like these types since they could crash on me or someother unsuspecting individual.

You're much better off away from this idiotic/dangerous situation. Speed in the aircraft/cockpit comes with repetition. Rushing typically leads to mistakes...some of them self-critiqeing. Get your resume out there, make some more contacts, and don't give up.

 

[Princedietrich]

yeah I thought about it. I would like to fly freight if I could find the right job. Another Caravan position would be great. Maybe something in MEM. I just don't know about the corporate world, but maybe I'm a little spooked after this fiasco with this captain.

Look us up at Airnet, we have a 'van based in MEM. Sounds like it'd be right up your alley.

 

[Guitar rocker]

nosedragger do you spit or swallow??? Have a little back bone!

b747dogg, you couldnt be more right here. Gotta have a backbone and speak right up when you dont like something. Dont do what the captain always wants to do if you think it's unsafe!

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Here's a few thoughts on your plight. First things first, a timely call to the servicing FSDO would not only be satisfying but in order. The reason this "guy" was riding your posterior was because he was peddalin as fast as he could.

Not quite sure I'd call the FSDO. From what I read, this captain did nothing more than be a total douche bag. If he/she did something that was unsafe or unlawful, sure, I'd call... Otherwise, probably not. I'd just spread the word that this place ain't a good place to call home.

 

[leardawg]

Sounds like you were flying with Barney Fife and Frank Burns' love child! Good decision to get out with your health and reputation intact.

I "pity the fool", I say "pity the fool" who replaces you! Good luck.

 

[Balou]

If your looking for a new job for a good company, you might want to check out Dynamicaviation.com.

They only hire a&p /pilots They are a very stable company with very excellent people there. They also treat there pilots very well in my opinion.

based in virginia. pm for more info

Balou

 

[thunderworm]

why is it that these a-hole captians make it to thier position. somewhere they should have washed out or told not to pursue this carrer. they are also the hardest to fire. management seem to fear them. this guy sound like some we fired but took years to do so. he was t. c. funny if that was the same. his rep is so bad he can't find a job. as you all well know we seem to know or know someone who does that fits this decription. small world.

 

[Princedietrich]

They make it to these positions by being scared and inexperienced right-seaters (LIKE MOST OF US) and got their butts handed to them by jerk captains who were even worse. This is back in the era when the captain really was God, and if you had a problem with that you could get out and walk. This in turn makes them forget where they came from, and they turn into the jerk captains they flew with, albeit a slightly diluted form.

Case in point, I flew with a guy in the 72 a couple years ago. He told us all through ground school that if we ever saw a problem with what he was doing or felt something was unsafe, he wanted us and even insisted that we call him on it. One day into BNA he was about to land on the wrong runway, and therefore land on an AA 757, and I called him on it (had a great view of things from the side saddle). On the leg out of BNA he called for a checklist and I didn't hear it due to the noise of the cockpit and the radio chatter in my ear. He then proceeded to tear me a new one, while sitting in line for departure, in front of the whole flight deck crew plus a check engineer plus a mechanic. After we parked it at CVG for the night, he did it again after I tried to apologize, only this time he did it in front of the four FAs. He even looked me in the eye and said he could guarantee that I'd go nowhere in this industry, implying that he'd have his buddy the chief pilot fire me. I guarantee it was in retaliation for me making him look bad on that approach into BNA, the check engineer (who was also a left-seat captain) agreed with me.

That was one helluva 2nd flight ever in the 727, I damn near hung up my wings for good after that flight. But, poetic justice works in mysterious ways because 3 weeks later he got furloughed and I didn't.

I made a promise to myself that when I get that 4th stripe on my shoulder some day, I would NEVER be the kind of captain that he was. I hope everyone else on this board makes that same promise to themselves.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I was informed by the capt. that I fly with that I should sit down and memorize the approach charts the night before a flight.

That's Bull $hit. It never hurts to study enroute and approach charts the
night before, but there is usually an approach breifing with most operators.
If it is a unknown airport and/or a difficult approach, make it a more detailed
breifing and start it earlier (instead of inside the marker).

DO become familier with the checklist and DO know the responses and flows
(if appropriate).

News flash: there will ALWAYS be a captain with a personality disorder.
You need to learn how to deal with them. As an F/O, know your airplane!
Sooner or later, a captain will try to kill you. (conversly, you'll do the
same to him).

CE

 

[Flybet3]

I made a promise to myself that when I get that 4th stripe on my shoulder some day, I would NEVER be the kind of captain that he was. I hope everyone else on this board makes that same promise to themselves.

But please, please!!! do not break that promise.....my philosophy:

"Unless you're life is in danger in anyway, you should never, EVER!!! be an a$$hole to anyone for anyreason. All that does is give the other person the right to be an A$$hole to you and punch you in the face."

In some cases, spit in your food......can I get an amen!