I am Confused, Should I Right it Up?

[CX880]

How about for the good of your passengers??

 

[EngineThunder]

How about for the good of your passengers??

Says the Gojet pilot.

 

[PCL_128]

Having been involved in representing pilots who were fired for writing up more things than they used to, I can tell you that this isn't anything to sneeze at. All airlines have software that tracks maintenance write-up rates by aircraft, engine, pilot, mechanic, etc. If your write-up rate jumps by 300%, they're going to find you, and they're going to fire you. And the arbitrator is going to back them up. Don't mess with this stuff. You won't win.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

The whole thing sounds like a made-up fantasy. Perhaps a mgmt stool pigeon heard one pilot say something and all of a sudden it's an illegal job action.

Or they're just looking to divert attention away from the fact they're swimming in their own incompetence and lashing out at anything that moves.

 

[wms]

121.563 Reporting mechanical irregularities. The pilot in command shall ensure that ALL mechanical irregularities occurring during flight time are entered in the maintenance log of the airplane at the end of that flight time. Before each flight the pilot in command shall ascertain the status of each irregularity entered in the log at the end of the preceding flight.

The question to ask yourself is: Would you write it up if a fed were present?

This is what the FAA and our company wants. It has nothing to do with labor actions, it has everything to do with doing the right thing. We have been working hard with flight ops and maintenance management to develop the right attitude and personal practices to address discrepancies legally. My fear is this will get pilots in trouble for not writing up discrepancies.

Pilots that now see the light and start properly documenting discrepancies shouldn't get in trouble now, they should've when they weren't writing them up before.

The union is flat out wrong on this.

 

[BoilerUP]

If discrepancies are legitimate maintenance issues...how could the company legally justify punitive action against a pilot that wrote those items up?

 

[chqflyer]

If discrepancies are legitimate maintenance issues...how could the company legally justify punitive action against a pilot that wrote those items up?

It probably varies widely depending on the outfit. My company comes down like a bag of anvils on you if they deem a write up to be unworthy. I've had my employment threatened several times over the years for holding my ground on certain maintenance items. It sucks balls, but it's a fact of life at the dirt bag regionals.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

And they won't hesitate to throw you under a bus if the item in question causes an accident. Damned if you do, eternally damned if you don't.

 

[Holy Shiite]

Every time a Pilot has been suspended/terminated for "alleged" inappropriate mx write-ups they always get their job back with back pay. Don't give in to fear and intimidation as some "supposed" Pilot's here advise you to. These message boards are chock full of shills and fake's and it is easy to see right through them. HS

 

[PCL_128]

Every time a Pilot has been suspended/terminated for "alleged" inappropriate mx write-ups they always get their job back with back pay.

Wrong. Oh so very wrong.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Every time

You're not seriously going to speak for every single action against a pilot are you? Pilots do get in trouble for this crap.

 

[Holy Shiite]

Wrong. Oh so very wrong.

Let me be a little more clear, What I am referring to is during negotiations when the company decides to take hostages. Lets say after the company publishes something like "any inappropriate write-ups will result in discipline up to and including termination" I happen to be living proof of a nice paid vacation so don't let these turds try and scare you. Sure, there have been guys fired in the past for just cause but I am specifically talking about the company taking hostages during negotiations. If you do your job by the book you are covered. How can you be fired (justly) for following company procedures?? Do your job and document everything and you will be fine. Don't give in to the fear and intimidation. These tactics have been used many times in the past and are standard procedure. Get educated and the knowledge you gain will give you confidence.

 

[PCL_128]

Holy Shiite, I've personally been there to see someone lose his arbitration in a case like this. I've seen others suspended. And then there's the court case where a judge actually ordered ALPA to tell the pilots to stop writing up airplanes. I'm telling you, it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. You're going to get people fired. Stop.

 

[Ineedabrew]

Holy Shiite, I've personally been there to see someone lose his arbitration in a case like this. I've seen others suspended. And then there's the court case where a judge actually ordered ALPA to tell the pilots to stop writing up airplanes. I'm telling you, it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. You're going to get people fired. Stop.

I am sorry... I respect your opinion but if something needs to be written up it will... If I lose my job so be it... You are mistaken if threats like this will scare us away... We will right up stuff till the chickens come home to roost

 

[Ineedabrew]

And personally I find it offence they would publish a warning like this... I am more determined to follow the law...