How Will Jetblue Management Respond?

[coogebeachhotel]

PSUBS are you for real?

 

[B6Busdriver]

I repeat, with emphasis...

I didn't say the list does not exist. The issue is those who believe that it will be used in any way, in any form, against any pilot...

Phuuleez... Show me something that says it will be used. Illuminate a case where it has been the cause of a hardship for our line pilots. Show me something that proves this nonsensical contention!

You can't, and you won't be able to. Conspiracy theorys abound, but their presence doesn't make them true.

Naive, indeed.

(By the way, I'm not a BoB'er--and probably not who you think I am. )

Why was there a need for a list?
Why were some pilots labeled?
How far up the food chain has the list gone?

I'm disgusted I work for an airline where we have our own pilots making a list and branding their fellow pilots. Shame on you BOOBS!

 

[Blue Dude]

To believe that there exists a list of union-supporters, linked with comments about "leanings and attitudes" to be used against line pilots, ranks one high up on the consipiracy theory list.

Kind of silly calling BOB members naive when you think everyone is out to get you.

I've got news for ya. They're not.

I've got a copy. It exists. If it were just a contact list, nobody would care. Instead, it's got a naughty-and-nice column. What possible reason is there to collect and distribute this kind of information among anti-union activists? The potential for abuse is apparent on its face.

Now, it doesn't matter if it's ever used by management or check airmen. It doesn't matter if every single BoB, check airman, and member of management is as pure as the wind-driven snow and above all possible reproach. The list's very existence is enough to cause some undefinable number of pilots to have second thoughts. It's enough to make one wonder which other lists might be out there and what other data is being collected and disseminated, and to whom? It's not just a potential problem - the list exists. It's not paranoia to wonder "what if" if the "what if" has already come to pass. A list of union supporters is already in the hands of the check airman, PVC members and others. It's not a stretch to assume that at some point in the future that information will be used.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I've got to tell you guys we used to have a group of IPs/managers just like these guys. When a bid would come out, they would sit down and decide who was going to succeed in the training program and who wasn't...prior to anyone ever entering the schoolhouse.

The existence of a list like this is very damaging, especially to Company morale. BTDT.

 

[PsubS]

OK, I will take your word for it and accept that there was a list.

Here's what I'll do. I'll call one of my buds who is a member of the original BoB. I'll ask him directly what the list was for and why it had these column headers, if indeed it did.

Why was there a need for a list?
Why were some pilots labeled?

I'm just guessing here, but I'm guessing that they (the folks who were anti-union) attempted to talk to as many folks on the seniority list as possible to convince them that voting no was the best option. They created headers to support their process. Simple.

I bet the answer from my friend will be similar to my hypothesis. Either way, I will be honest and post it here.

Could a list like this be abused? Sure. Could a list of ASAP submissions be abused? Sure. Could a list of pilots who missed trips be abused? Sure.

Actually, it IS a stretch to believe that a list like this will be abused, however. The creation of this list was not illegal; to abuse it would be. There is a clear distinction.

Just because there is a list does not mean that adverse action will be taken, or even that anyone in leadership has a copy of said list.

You guys are creating a mountain out of a molehill. And yes, I am for real. ;>)

 

[B6Busdriver]

OK, I will take your word for it and accept that there was a list.

Here's what I'll do. I'll call one of my buds who is a member of the original BoB. I'll ask him directly what the list was for and why it had these column headers, if indeed it did.

ATTENTION ALL WHO READ THIS THREAD.
THE BLOODY LIST EXISTS!!! I HAVE A COPY AND IT CLEARLY HAS COLUMNS THAT LABEL SOME AS:
BoB
SYM.....AS IN SYMPATHETIC TO THEIR CAUSE
FENCE...AS IN "ON THE"
UNION....CLEAR AS CAN BE


GO TALK TO YOUR "FRIEND" AND TELL HIS LOW LIFE GROUP OF SCUMBAGS TO QUIT LYING TO THE APA AND POSTING FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT JBPA.
RANT OVER. Now back to regular letters.

 

[Blue Dude]

Here's what I'll do. I'll call one of my buds who is a member of the original BoB. I'll ask him directly what the list was for and why it had these column headers, if indeed it did.

I'm just guessing here, but I'm guessing that they (the folks who were anti-union) attempted to talk to as many folks on the seniority list as possible to convince them that voting no was the best option. They created headers to support their process. Simple.

I did consider that the "camp" column was merely to determine who to spend lobbying time on, right up until the point that it became apparent that everyone in the "union" camp was excluded from any mailings by default. Maybe the BoB's were being polite by excluding known union supporters from emails that they evidently had no interest in. That's a nice, innocent explanation. I'd like to believe that's all there is to it. But human nature being what it is, and since check airmen are prominent among the BoB's, who can take that chance? It still doesn't discount the very real intimidation factor created by the list's very existence, regardless of whether it's ever used.

 

[Lake Alice]

OK, I will take your word for it and accept that there was a list.

Here's what I'll do. I'll call one of my buds who is a member of the original BoB. I'll ask him directly what the list was for and why it had these column headers, if indeed it did.



I'm just guessing here, but I'm guessing that they (the folks who were anti-union) attempted to talk to as many folks on the seniority list as possible to convince them that voting no was the best option. They created headers to support their process. Simple.

I bet the answer from my friend will be similar to my hypothesis. Either way, I will be honest and post it here.

Could a list like this be abused? Sure. Could a list of ASAP submissions be abused? Sure. Could a list of pilots who missed trips be abused? Sure.

Actually, it IS a stretch to believe that a list like this will be abused, however. The creation of this list was not illegal; to abuse it would be. There is a clear distinction.

Just because there is a list does not mean that adverse action will be taken, or even that anyone in leadership has a copy of said list.

You guys are creating a mountain out of a molehill. And yes, I am for real. ;>)

You are as big a dipsh!t as you BoB friend. Now my name as well as hundreds of others are labeled. LABELED!!!
Next time we have a management change and that lists exist there is a significant chance that list could be used to single out certain people. It happens all the time in many different industries and without a union we are powerless. You're an idiot if you don't think this could happen to any one of us in the future.
Tell your BoB friend to enjoy his commuting.

 

[PsubS]

THE BLOODY LIST EXISTS!!!

I already agreed that it does.

I said: To believe that there exists a list of union-supporters, linked with comments about "leanings and attitudes" to be used against line pilots, ranks one high up on the consipiracy theory list.

I stand behind that statement. Again, let the paranoia subside a bit and realize that no actions have been taken against any member of the pro-union camp. Please--give me an example of this behavior and I'll give your theory more credibility.

You are as big a dipsh!t as you BoB friend.

I prefer "a$swipe," as it rolls off the tongue easier.

Why so tense? Are you incapable of accepting a logical alternative explanation as to why the list exists?

It still doesn't discount the very real intimidation factor created by the list's very existence, regardless of whether it's ever used.

Now that is a logical argument, and well put. Good point.

 

[Deli Guy]

I did consider that the "camp" column was merely to determine who to spend lobbying time on, right up until the point that it became apparent that everyone in the "union" camp was excluded from any mailings by default. Maybe the BoB's were being polite by excluding known union supporters from emails that they evidently had no interest in. That's a nice, innocent explanation. I'd like to believe that's all there is to it. But human nature being what it is, and since check airmen are prominent among the BoB's, who can take that chance? It still doesn't discount the very real intimidation factor created by the list's very existence, regardless of whether it's ever used.

I believe the "camp" column was for an actual camping trip. The Bobs were thinking of a little get together at a state park where everyone would bring a tent and a sleeping bag, and they would talk about company problems by the fire. Of course this would degrade to singing "I'd like to teach the World to sing" and spooning.

 

[Dizel8]

I stand behind that statement. Again, let the paranoia subside a bit and realize that no actions have been taken against any member of the pro-union camp. Please--give me an example of this behavior and I'll give your theory more credibility.

So let's say a pilot, with great knowledge, great personality and a clean record applies to be a check airman. There are openings, they are interviewing and he knows that the other guys have similar credentials as him, yet he never gets called.

Let's say, that he was fingered on the Bob list, but no one else but him was, did he not get interviewed because he was on the list, how could he prove that was the case?

He would not be able to prove it, the company will simply say he wasn't selected as there were many great applicants etc., etc.