How to get the union on property!

[Humphreybogart]

I see the current "battle" in the fractional industry as a great learning opportunity for the children of the frac pilots.

In all honesty, where, other than FLOPS, is their a "battle" in the fractional industry? Nj got what they wanted, CS got what they wanted (without having to fight for it I might add), and FLEX is seeing a raise as well. There is one frac company that is being dumped on. It's really too bad for them and I feel bad for them. Like I said before, I have some friends at FLOPS. On the company side, FLOPS management was going to give them some sort of compensation in reflect of what the rest of the industry was doing, but when they found out about the union inquiries, they took it away. So maybe without the union thing, they would have gotten their just due. The thought of the union screwed it up for the FLOPS people. NJW, please step down from the union soapbox and look at things through open eyes. No union here.

 

[FRACTRASH]

No Union needed here at CS!

 

[FRACTRASH]

much of the fractional and corporate industry has reaped the rewards from our fight. With that in mind, why should we have all quit??? We have made it better, havent we???

Rocker, you made it better at NJ. It was already good at CS, so quit patting yourself on the back. Just remember one thing, if a company wants to be ugly to its employees, it doesn't matter if you're union or nonunion, they have ways to get what they want. I speak from experience. Now let the name calling begin!

 

[Apeman]

Bogart---I won't chime in and say anything about CS, because I don't work there. All I ask is you don't chime in and say anything about Flops. There was no raise coming to us---period! Don't speak about what you don't know!

 

[theo]

Please do..and for your own sake! What happens if Netjets goes after the light jet market by offering Cessna a deal they can't refuse?

STAPLE...unless you're a dues paying member.

So, in other words, join a union to protect yourself from other unions?

 

[Hawkered]

No. It's like insurance. Unions offer a process of checks and balances so that you and your livelihood don't get lost in the corporate shuffle. We have paid for that insurance with our dues. If you don't have that same insurance..you wont be protected in a buy out.

None of you have to join the union yet, but if we had a merger, our scope clause and craft protections will not allow you to fly any of our aircraft unless you become a dues paying union member.

 

[Humphreybogart]

Bogart---I won't chime in and say anything about CS, because I don't work there. All I ask is you don't chime in and say anything about Flops. There was no raise coming to us---period! Don't speak about what you don't know!

I'm just going by what my friends at FLOPS and other FLOPS pilots told me on the road. A big announcement was comming on January 31. Not trying to stir any rumors here.

 

[theo]

No. It's like insurance. Unions offer a process of checks and balances so that you and your livelihood don't get lost in the corporate shuffle. We have paid for that insurance with our dues. If you don't have that same insurance..you wont be protected in a buy out.

None of you have to join the union yet, but if we had a merger, our scope clause and craft protections will not allow you to fly any of our aircraft unless you become a dues paying union member.

Seems like that is what the mafia calls it "insurance" when they are out getting "protection" money from the poor store owner in the Godfather!

 

[Guitar rocker]

much of the fractional and corporate industry has reaped the rewards from our fight. With that in mind, why should we have all quit??? We have made it better, havent we???

Rocker, you made it better at NJ. It was already good at CS, so quit patting yourself on the back. Just remember one thing, if a company wants to be ugly to its employees, it doesn't matter if you're union or nonunion, they have ways to get what they want. I speak from experience. Now let the name calling begin!

Wait a minute junior, we made it better at NJA, but also at Flex and other corporate outfits too. Obviously as YOU have pointed out, we had zero impact on your pay.....it was all just coincidence! Yah, not one of us at NJA can possibly pat themselves on the back for what YOU got! Do YOU really have experience in anything???? I like the, "I speak from experience" thing...........you must be referring to your most recent CFI or 711 days...which were probably only a few short months ago.

As you said, "JUST REMEMBER ONE THING," a company with a union is going to have a much harder time trying to make things "ugly" for someone. One without a union, can make it "ugly" at the drop of a hat.........thats what happens when there are no rules to go by. We had a situation where it got real "ugly" for someone........our union pilots got him back on the payroll. Who do you guys have that can speak for one of your own like THAT?

 

[Guitar rocker]

Seems like that is what the mafia calls it "insurance" when they are out getting "protection" money from the poor store owner in the Godfather!

Theo, are you that stupid so as to not understand what Hawkered is getting at??? Guess the only way for you to possibly get it through that thick skull of yours if for your company to be bought out and lets see where you fall then. Your poor store owner and Godfather thing are truly pathetic. Cant you at least listen to someone elses point???