How to get out of a training contract...

[Highflight1977]

Has anyone had any luck getting out of a training contract? Specifically QX... But other stories are welcome. My understanding is there is some legal basis under indentured servitude or signing under duress...

 

[belchfire]

Lawyers, guns and money...

hehehehe...it a song from when you were in diapers. Be a man and pay your debts!

 

[Highflight1977]

I did... It's called first year pay. But seriously lets not get into the moral issues.

like Joe Friday said... Just the facts!

 

[rtmcfi]

Declare bankruptcy......the moral kind.

 

[Axel]

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[RedDogC130]

pay it off. you make a deal be a man and pay for it.

 

[SIG600]

Nice work cheese d1ck. That shiney new RJ isn't so appealing anymore is it.

You signed it, own up to it.

 

[Flyerdan]

Shred your pilot certificates and your social security card. Close your checking account and locate a large cardboard box. Then go live under a bridge somewhere where they will never find you. Or you could live with the decision you made to work there and pay off the debt.

 

[GOULET!]

I know a guy who had to declare bankrupcy to get out of his QX CRJ training contract. Good luck with that.

 

[DC8Driver]

Did you sign your name to a contract?

Pay up.

It's called being a man.

I'll tell you a story. A friend of mine got furloughed after 9/11 like alot of us. He signed a contract then wanted to leave for a better job. He owed the $5,000.

I told him to "pay up". He chose not to.

He is $15,000. into attorney fees and guess what? He has to pay. They lost.

He hast to pay +interest and the airlines attorney fees.

Be a man, pay your bills.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Why ya wanna get out of duh contracts? Dat bad? I wood jus suk it up an deals wif it..... time goes by quickly......
Bouyyyyyyyy......

 

[Flybywire44]

I hear MESA does not make you sign the contract until after training, is this true?

 

[ToiletDuck]

Why ya wanna get out of duh contracts? Dat bad? I wood jus suk it up an deals wif it..... time goes by quickly......
Bouyyyyyyyy......

Why don't you suck it up and quit acting like a retard on the forum already? Once or twice was funny but after this long period of time each post you makes points more and more to the fact that you must be one incredible tool. The kind of person who laughs at his own jokes prior to anyone else. Constantly looking for attention, approval, and acceptance from everyone around him because he was probably picked on a lot as a kid. Quit being an idiot please. It's getting annoying.

 

[Abernathy]

IIRC, QX is Horizon. I can think of much worse places to be. I thought the pay, benefits, QOL, etc were good.

Where would you leave Horizon for, anyway

 

[knewhigher]

I hear MESA does not make you sign the contract until after training, is this true?

It doesn't go into effect until you pass your PC. So even if you stay a year from your hire date you still have a few months left on it. I was stupid and found out the hard way.

 

[NWaviator]

you might be getting out at the right time: From Saretsky blog: on MArch 28.

"This means that certain markets will likely be cut from our network with the start of the fall schedule, the specifics of which will probably be announced during our first quarter analyst conference call on April 24th. The Horizon Air fleet and network is also being completely revamped and details of the changes will be part of our April 24th analyst call."

furthermore, I say pay it, get it overwith, no legal fees, no stress and you can get on with your life.

 

[ultrarunner]

Has anyone had any luck getting out of a training contract? Specifically QX... But other stories are welcome. My understanding is there is some legal basis under indentured servitude or signing under duress...

I'm curious Highflight, what was the duress you "think" you were placed under?

 

[Highflight1977]

I knew this was going to be flame bate...

This has nothing to do with being a man, or any of that crap.

The post was originally meant to determine if it's legal or not. If it's not legal contract, why pay it? Then your supporting something illegal. That's like saying to Rodney King, Get down there and take it like man!!!

One can argue that the whole purpose of first year pay is so the company can recoup there training costs. They are paying you roughly 10000 less the first year... Well what the hell is that for? Do you magically become a super pilot on your anniversary? Now your worth an extra 10 G's...

If it's legal, I’ll pay it. According to ALPA, (here we go) it's not. But they won't help a first year member.

 

[samballs]

I knew this was going to be flame bate...

This has nothing to do with being a man, or any of that crap.

The post was originally meant to determine if it's legal or not. If it's not legal contract, why pay it? Then your supporting something illegal. That's like saying to Rodney King, Get down there and take it like man!!!

One can argue that the whole purpose of first year pay is so the company can recoup there training costs. They are paying you roughly 10000 less the first year... Well what the hell is that for? Do you magically become a super pilot on your anniversary? Now your worth an extra 10 G's...

If it's legal, I’ll pay it. According to ALPA, (here we go) it's not. But they won't help a first year member.

It wouldn't have been so bad, if he would've taken it like a man.

 

[DrewBlows]

I knew this was going to be flame bate...

This has nothing to do with being a man, or any of that crap.

The post was originally meant to determine if it's legal or not. If it's not legal contract, why pay it? Then your supporting something illegal. That's like saying to Rodney King, Get down there and take it like man!!!

One can argue that the whole purpose of first year pay is so the company can recoup there training costs. They are paying you roughly 10000 less the first year... Well what the hell is that for? Do you magically become a super pilot on your anniversary? Now your worth an extra 10 G's...

If it's legal, I’ll pay it. According to ALPA, (here we go) it's not. But they won't help a first year member.

They may have a point. If it's not covered under the pilot contract I don't see how it could possibly be legal. You don't have the authority under the Railway Labor Act to negotiate a contract with the company, only the union does. If it's covered in the pilot contract you are probably screwed.

Call your pilot representative and ask to speak with an ALPA legal consultant. You may be on probation, but this isn't an unreasonable thing to ask. If they refuse to put you in touch with a lawyer ask one of your friends who isn't on probation to do it for you.

One thing I can tell you with certainty is you will NOT get sound legal advice on Flightinfo.com (including from me).