How some US East pilots could gain seniority

[MCDU]

Skybus needs airbus Captains bad. They are having a hard time finding qualified pilots. So go over there, get ALPA on the property and since you have a Columbus Hub with Airbuses, Parker will want to merge.Since relative position is the name of the game and not your length of servive you would move up a few thousand numbers. Lets say 4400 to 750. Pretty clever.

Marty

 

[Mookie]

And then you put your dick in a box....imp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKOiBZpUKW8

Mookie

 

[Baze]

Hey Mookie,

Is that how you score chicks?

 

[TWA Dude]

I'm confused. So they decertify ALPA at AAA and then vote it in at Skybus?

 

[vtwin]

I'm confused. So they decertify ALPA at AAA and then vote it in at Skybus?

or, TWA pilots sue ALPA over the APA staple job then defend it when
they get a job at AWA and staple AAA........? Yes, very confusing indeed.

 

[TWA Dude]

or, TWA pilots sue ALPA over the APA staple job then defend it when
they get a job at AWA and staple AAA........? Yes, very confusing indeed.

I don't know why you bring TWA into this but suit yourself. If you're confused it can only be due to lack of intellectual capacity.

Facts, not opinion:

The TWA Pilots' suit against ALPA alleges failure of DFR
The APA through Supplement CC stapled about 2/3 of active TWA pilots
The Nicolau Award didn't staple any active AAA pilots as of the merger date
A DOH (even corrected for LOS) integration would've stapled over half the AWA pilots

I've always advocated ALPA Merger Policy as the fairest way to integrate pilot groups, come what may. Very curious that you'd try to denigrate me for supporting this.

 

[vtwin]

I don't know why you bring TWA into this but suit yourself. If you're confused it can only be due to lack of intellectual capacity.

Facts, not opinion:

The TWA Pilots' suit against ALPA alleges failure of DFR
The APA through Supplement CC stapled about 2/3 of active TWA pilots
The Nicolau Award didn't staple any active AAA pilots as of the merger date
A DOH (even corrected for LOS) integration would've stapled over half the AWA pilots

I've always advocated ALPA Merger Policy as the fairest way to integrate pilot groups, come what may. Very curious that you'd try to denigrate me for supporting this.

Thanks for the history lesson and, your rationalizations only denigrate
yourself. Why not drop your lawsuit now that you are furloughed from TWA since only active pilots have standing in your opinion?
Where is the merit in your suit now?

Your time at TWA should count for nothing as should mine at AAA. Funny how every former TWA guy I fly with now says we at AAA got screwed worse them they by ALPA and APA, except you of course.

 

[TWA Dude]

Thanks for the history lesson and, your rationalizations only denigrate yourself.

What rationalizations? I support ALPA Merger Policy, come what may.

Why not drop your lawsuit now that you are furloughed from TWA since only active pilots have standing in your opinion?

What in the sam hill does the TWA lawsuit have to do with AWA/AAA? Nothing. Woerth sold TWA out to appease the APA. That's what the DFR suit alleges. The AAA pilots are angry because for some reason they thought they'd get from the arbitrator something close to what they asked. They think that since they really, really, really disagree with Nicolau ALPA should set aside the Award.

Where is the merit in your suit now?

Same place it's always been.

Your time at TWA should count for nothing as should mine at AAA.

The Nicolau Award is clear on his reasoning. The snapshot date and reasonable expectations for the future is what counted. Not the past.

Funny how every former TWA guy I fly with now says we at AAA got screwed worse them they by ALPA and APA, except you of course.

And some people still think the world is only 5000 years old. BFD.

 

[smokey999]

Apples and oranges....at least you still have a job.

 

[ironspud]

What rationalizations? I support ALPA Merger Policy, come what may.What in the sam hill does the TWA lawsuit have to do with AWA/AAA? Nothing. Woerth sold TWA out to appease the APA. That's what the DFR suit alleges. The AAA pilots are angry because for some reason they thought they'd get from the arbitrator something close to what they asked. They think that since they really, really, really disagree with Nicolau ALPA should set aside the Award.Same place it's always been.The Nicolau Award is clear on his reasoning. The snapshot date and reasonable expectations for the future is what counted. Not the past.And some people still think the world is only 5000 years old. BFD.

Looks like VT is just flaming you for the fun of it. Troll alert.

 

[steveg]

Yeah really. VT if you really want to flame someone, go after me or one of the other AWA/TWA guys here. (Removed name) is one of the most level headed guys around.

Also, since you seem to be a mental giant, figure this. If east succeeds in delaying a contract and thus capturing the upgrades and recalls, where do they stand financially? I mean versus if they came to their senses and rejoined contract talks. Assuming we would get a raise (a windfall for the east, only a slight for the west), figure the difference in upgrade and money. Where does that put the guy 1, 2, 3 years out? How about the furloughed guys?

Steve


ps. I'm asking because I already know the answer. Ask your MEC for some detailed numbers (I'll bet they won't provide). You guys are only hurting yourselves, to the tune of hundreds of thousands for some pilots. And to think the east is using this for their excuse to delay talks! Once again your MEC is selling you down the river and costing you money. It's easy to come on here and spout uninformed dribble and bring emotion into play. It's much harder to be analytical and think for yourself. What are you going to do?

pss. All (Removed Name) has ever done was advocate a fair process. Something TWA did NOT have. The east had it, tried to take advantage of it, and now refuses to accept. All in all, much worse than the APA. Never thought I'd see that day.

 

[Captain Overs]

Didn't AWA and Airways East guys agree to binding arbitration? If so, you can't go back and cry after the fact. If the ruling would have been to your liking I don't think you'd feel the same way towards the AWA pilot group.

 

[johnnyb]

Also, since you seem to be a mental giant
ps.
pss.

People who live in glass houses Bubba .....

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