How much are you hoping for?

[flyer172r]

All the NetJets pilots out there talk about how bad the first year pay is, and I whole-heartedly agree that 28k is an insult for what you guys do. But what I'm wondering is how much do you think the first-year guys deserve? 35k? 40k? I'm not trying to start an argument here (though that'll probably happen regardless), I'm just curious what you would consider reasonable first-year pay to be. Or for that matter, what you consider reasonable down the line.

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

BAIT !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[flyer172r]

BAIT !!!!!!!!!!!

Well, it wasn't meant to be, but I see how it can be interpreted as such. I guess that's what I get for trying to ask an honest question on this board.

 

[J3 Guy]

You have to remember their moral is low and as that catyaaaak person said, quote "It sucks to be you" unquote.

Cub Guy

 

[flexlrpilot357]

Morale is so low they can't spell it.

 

[rattler]

Ok, I'll bite. Nobody should fly a jet for less than 60K. I do, and I think it's an insult. Also no CA should make less than 120K. Small jet or not, that's my opinion. You guys need to fight for what you think is right.

 

[pilotyip]

What are you worth?

Since this started with BAIT, and rattler poured fuel on to flame, I tell you what, Go for it. Show them who is boss, shut the place down until you get exactly what you want. I mean after all you can fly a jet, excuse me program a jet, my gad, that puts you in category with golly I don't know what, what is as rare and talented as a jet F/O, school teacher? CPA?, Doctor?, I don't know nothing comes to mind. Along the same lines, we just recently hired a furloughed glass cockpit F/O guy, smart, talented, great attitude, in the sim he was trainable but having problems. When quizzing him about his problems, he said he had not hand flown an approach in over three years at his previous airline. So how do you determine what you are worth?

 

[guido411]

yip,

What makes a jet F/O (programmer) any more or less talented than the PIC? The original question should have included PIC's too, we all work for too little money. I don't mean just NJ, as a group of professionals we all ask too little. So what makes us more talented than a teacher, CPA, or doctor? Any person on the front side of a cockpit door can kill a planeful of pax. PIC, SIC, FA, terrorist or otherwise. Last time I heard of a CPA killing something it was only a stock purcahse. Doctors have lives in their hands all the time, they get paid well for what they do, so should we.

 

[pilotyip]

Continuing the BAITING. There is no comparison, Doctors are knowledge workers, and pilots are skilled workers. Doctors go to school for up to 20 years, work for slave wages until established in practice. Anyone will a certain level of skill and desire can be a pilot, no college BS degree required, no Ph.D. in Medicine like a doctor, just go to a trade school and develop a skill. As far as the lives on your airplane go the one in your seat is the most improtant. If that one is persevered then all the other lives will be preserved. If the lives in back really mattered the most we could pay the FedEx, UOPS pilots, a lot less than the passenger pilots gets.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Doctors have a better Union (Cartel) than pilots. The AMA. There are lots of people who want to be doctors but enrollment at Medical Schools is restricted.

 

[guido411]

Wasn't saying that my life was less important than the people in the back. But if a FedEx DC10 crashed on the same day as a NWA DC10, which one will make the front page in the morning? Am I getting the drift that you believe pilots are not underpayed?

 

[pilotyip]

Exactly I have never made the numbers I see discussed here, and I love my job. I am living out a childhood dream to fly airplanes. I own a house, an airplane, have a decent retirement coming. I know many people making much less than these numbers and they hate their jobs. How could one live a life like that? $100K is a great salary.

 

[buttercup]

Exactly I have never made the numbers I see discussed here, and I love my job. I am living out a childhood dream to fly airplanes. I own a house, an airplane, have a decent retirement coming. I know many people making much less than these numbers and they hate their jobs. How could one live a life like that? $100K is a great salary.[/QU



100K is a great salary LMFAO.. How about getting some self-worth!!

 

[qmaster3]

This would raise the bar.


CFI's= 40,000 to 70,000
F/O=60,00 to 120,000
CA= 80,000 to 300,000

No pilot should have to be on food stamps.

 

[longrangekiller]

You can hope all ya want and expect amazing numbers. Boils down to what ya are will to settle for. Good luck.

 

[Diesel]

100k is a joke if you live in the NE.

Of course if you want to live in motor city you can live like a king for that type of money.

But who would want to ?

 

[pilotyip]

Self is not determined by how much money you make, success is defined by in the individual. I am living my dream, and is up to me to judge my self worth.

 

[El Chupacabra]

This is true. You must stop trying to tell NJA pilots that they are not worth what they are asking. We will determine what that is.

 

[brokea$$pilot]

What R U Smokin- Cuz I Want Some

pilotype is right. sometimes you have to think deeper than just the "GREEN"

 

[Galaxy]

Hey qmaster3, If you ever start an airline I wanna be first throught the door with those wages.....

 

[pilotyip]

I have nothing against what the NJ piltos are asking for, I have just said, I would be happy making a $100K/yr. As a pilot who has spend many times "between jobs", I would be worried about upsetting the apple cart.

 

[Diesel]

It's that worry about upsetting the apple cart that keeps pay low. Too bad i don't care about upsetting the apple cart either pay or shut the place down. I'm the one driving it.

 

[G4dude]

I would submit that the free market does not care what we believe adequate pay is. The market is utterly rational, and is affected by miriads of factors, uncluding number of pilots willing to work for whatever pay, availability of other jobs, quality of life in these jobs, state of the ecomomy, supply of owners, price and quantity of competion, and many other factors. Once again, the market does not care what we think our pay ought to be. If unions push pay too high through coercion, the company goes out of business. Look at the Legacy carriers.

 

[pilotyip]

G4dude, that is right you can not turn a pig's ear into a silk purse. Is a $90K flying airplanes better than a $35K job in the plumbing dept at Home Depot? I have a lot ex Navy friends who did the EAL, Braniff, etc. Went from $100K per year to $35K driving a bread truck route.

 

[miles otoole]

I would submit that the free market does not care what we believe adequate pay is. The market is utterly rational, and is affected by miriads of factors, uncluding number of pilots willing to work for whatever pay, availability of other jobs, quality of life in these jobs, state of the ecomomy, supply of owners, price and quantity of competion, and many other factors. Once again, the market does not care what we think our pay ought to be. If unions push pay too high through coercion, the company goes out of business. Look at the Legacy carriers.

I personally very much agree with the first 80% of your post. In today's world, it's the supply of qualified labor combined with competition which will significantly squeeze labor rates.
I don't necessarily agree with the fact that high labor rates forced the legacy carriers into the financial shape they are currently in, however.

 

[Checks]

While I agree that 100K is a sweet salary, 28K is just foolish. Then again, those guys, like the regional guys knew that going in. Notice I dont work at either because of the lousy pay. Maybe if more pilots decided not to work for those wages the wages might actually increase. Just a thought.

 

[brokea$$pilot]

i dont think military pilots earn much higher than the regional airline pilots but ofcourse your not in the military to make a bundle of money right? the only benefit i see is that you DO have a real pension flying in the military vs. a regional. over 30 years i think you would still do better financially at one of the better regionals. $25-115,000yr

 

[G4dude]

While I agree that 100K is a sweet salary, 28K is just foolish. Then again, those guys, like the regional guys knew that going in. Notice I dont work at either because of the lousy pay. Maybe if more pilots decided not to work for those wages the wages might actually increase. Just a thought.

I agree with the thrust of your comments. However, 28K is not foolish if someone is willing to work for that amount. The marketplace is not emotional, just ruthlessly rational. If nobody wants to fly for 28K, pay will go up. Period. G4dude has spoken.
Just remember, my opinions are subject to frequent ridicule, and rightfully so, but they belong to me!

 

[buttercup]

I agree with the thrust of your comments. However, 28K is not foolish if someone is willing to work for that amount. The marketplace is not emotional, just ruthlessly rational. If nobody wants to fly for 28K, pay will go up. Period. G4dude has spoken.
Just remember, my opinions are subject to frequent ridicule, and rightfully so, but they belong to me!

If you people think 100k is a good salary I feel sorry for you.. I made 100k in the past two months. Some of you self-worthless freaks need a dose of reality

 

[El Chupacabra]

If you people think 100k is a good salary I feel sorry for you.. I made 100k in the past two months. Some of you self-worthless freaks need a dose of reality

Yeah but how long do you think that card-counting in Atlantic City is going to fly?