How many resumes have you sent out?

[labbats]

Tittyjet just gave me the worst flashback to my old medical sales job! Please don't say "let's compare apples to apples" or anyting like that or I'll probably freak out.

Seriously though, that's just good advice. I recently called the FAA for some questions I had about students and got to talking to the guy about my future and what I wanted to do. He said he checks guys out for 121 all the time, and a lot have only 600 hours or so. His idea was the "dartboard theory". You just keep throwing darts (resumes), until one hits the bullseye. It might be quite a few tossed, but you'll never get the bullseye without throwing some darts. Sounds dumb, but it did inspire me, and I'm going to follow his advice once I get some multi time under my belt.

Regards,

Lab

 

[labbats]

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Trust me on this one; as someone who was an executive in sales for the world's largest aviation insurance broker, I know what I'm talking about.

plan your work and work your plan.

If you were working for me and told me you had contacted 70 prospective clients, I would say, "that was before you went to lunch, right?"

Go rent the movie Wall Street and watch how Bud Fox hounds and hounds the secretary until he gets the meeting with Gordon Gekko then, take the effort he put in, multiply it by fifty, take that number and cube it, and you might be working hard enough in your new found sales job to make the ultimate sale -- yourself to a prospective employer.

All sales managers are in love with Gordon Gecko and Bud Fox. It's the names, they sound so cool-guy. Tommy Boy is another favorite to quote.

I remember my old cronies and I, on our quarterly sales meetings, we'd all fly to Madison and get wasted and quote our boss. At meetings, one of us would cough every time he used a sales quote like "apples to apples" or "work your plan and plan your work". Sometimes it sounded like we all had some sick days coming up.

I do miss those guys though, sales guys are the most fun bunch of guys ever once they hit the town. Especially a party town like Madison. But pilots aren't slouches either.

 

[BoDEAN]

Cover Letter w/ Fax?

If someone tells you to fax them a resume, do you send a cover letter also via fax?

 

[bobbysamd]

Cover letters

If someone tells you to fax them a resume, do you send a cover letter also via fax?

Absolutely. Always send a cover letter with your resume, just as if you were mailing it.

Cover letters are very important. A cover letter orients the H.R. morons as to why you are applying for the job and provides a thumbnail sketch as to how and why you meet their quals and what you can contribute to their company. Don't give cover letters short shrift. On the other hand, don't ramble on in your cover letter. For one thing, the people who should read such cover letters do not, and those that do have neither the time or the inclination to read a page blackened with prose. Keep your cover letter to the point.

Hope that helps. Good luck with your efforts.

 

[tittyjet]

Hey Labbat, try this one on for size:

I think we need to think outside the box here a little, guys; what we need is a paradigm shift. I've seen way too many of you spending too much time in the office lately -- if you're in the office, you're not doing your job; there are no suspects in here!!! Focusing a little more on our hit ratio, the net result will be that we will all realize our full potential for Q 3 and 4. When we get out of here, I really want us to hit the ground running. Don't waste your time with technical buyers, get in front of the econimic buyers so that we can get a few to go in our favor -- that'll really turn the tide, and we'll all reap the rewards when bonuses go out at the end of the year. Stay on message all of the time that you're in their face, whether that be on the golf course, in their office, at lunch, or in a titty bar. Relate it all back to the product because, after all, that's why you get that paycheck at the end of every month. Trust me -- you don't want to get caught with your pants down on this one; it's getting late in the second half, and we need to put some points on the board, so let's lay those ears back and get to work.

Remember, when you work hard, you can play even harder. Oh, and don't forget to have those activity reports to me by the close of business on the 6th.


Pretty fair for someone who's way out of practice, huh??

 

[labbats]

Scary...

 

[BoDEAN]

For Ohio, select "Address" and put in "OH" or "OHIO" to the left of the Search button. Also, you can click on "Great Lakes" region and that will narrow down the geographic area. Hit the green-blue Search button and it will give you company names, FAR parts the company is certificated under, and aircraft types they fly.

Now, for narrowing down on aircraft types, click on "Advanced Search". Say, you are looking for LearJet operators. You should put in "LR-" next to "Aircraft Type:". For Lear 60, put in LR-60. Aircraft Type is a link and shows you all types that you could put in.

Yes, this is pay to use. For free, you can get names of places and more... Members get addresses, phone numbers, incident and accident record of the operator and lots more - exactly the information you want to know if you were to get on with the company. Just look under "Sample Certificate Page".

Thanks for looking

What is this "paypal discount code?"

 

[135Jobs]

What is this "paypal discount code?"

There is "Discount Code".

Use "FLINFO" as discount code through Monday, August 25 and get the initial 3 months for $14.95

 

[rettofly]

Try www.135jobs.com - it has all 135, 121 and other companies with wealth of information about them.

Here's another link that might be useful:

http://162.58.35.241/acdatabase/acmain.htm

I haven't found a job off this, but I sure found a lot of places to send my resume. The problem with sending unsolicited resumes is that most of them end up in the round file, especially if you don't have a CP or DO name to put into the address. Nevertheless.. it's another entry point.

 

[Timebuilder]

I probably had 100 resumes out there easily.

Now that I am shifting gears, I am approaching 100 resumes/headshots/CD demo reels just since August 03. I will probably hit 200 by March 04.

Marketing...

 

[captxxx]

Shotgun Resumes

Best Advice: 1)

DON'T GET INTO AVIATION INDUSTRY!
2)If you have fly-start early 17-21, buy a used R.V. before getting your instrument or M.E. to trace around the country looking for work.
3) Have your Bachelor's degree( in something-Underwater Basketweaving ) or Military Aviation flight background(officer level) or A&P &/or CFI-AI/MEI; or have daddy or mommy funnel megabucks for at least 5 years or have a parent who is a airline pilot(with travel privileges)or corporate or charter pilot get you an IN.
4)Prepare for furloughs, unscrupulous and/or bankrupt operators; putting your family second; oddball hours; and getting treated like excrement by rampies, management, fbos, and almost everyone else inside the industry for unbelievablely little remuneration in dollars.
5) Walk resume in person(review to No. 2 about R.V.) you get roughly a 15% response with interview as opposed to shotgun faxes/mailings/email-3% response and roughly a 5% response with phone(COLD CALLS) and target the top 25 companies in areas you would not mind spending 3 to 5 years at...and when all else fails( including PRAYER )fails refer to No.1!

 

[EMBpilot]

I applied with 1157 compamies.
2 sent me their application paperwork.
1 (not one of them) called for the interview.

Hired Feb. 2003

Good luck to all

 

[bafanguy]

for all you guys under 1000 hours looking for a job, how many resumes have you sent out? I just sent out about 70, and the "sorry, no openings" are starting to come in

sigh

Scuba,

You actually got REPLIES !!!?? You're doing a lot better than I.

 

[saviboy]

Should we send applications via snail mail or email or fax?

 

[Tinstaafl]

In recent years I made a simple M$ Access database to track contact details, min. requirements for CA & FO, when first & most recently contacted & how, stages of application process from 'never contacted' to 'hired', comments, region, type of ops & class of aircraft etc. It can be sorted & filtered & in conjunction with Word I can export the appropriate bits to a mail merged personalised form letter & envelope address. Before that I used DOS Wordperfect 5.1 & mail merge to generate form letters & print envelopes from a WP database.

I've not bothered to count how many resumes I've sent over the years in Oz, Europe & now that I've moved here, have recently started on the US. I don't count the replies I received, just note whether the current pile has become thick enough to warrant starting a new one. I keep all replies as a way of determining who the latest contact person is etc. Most times no reply but those I received are valuable for the information one can glean from the letterhead & signature block.