How do you do it?

[Metro752]

From the outside looking in, why do college graduates even think they are worth less than lets say a local police officer, who probably starts at 33k+ a year.

What kind of morons are you, $20k a year? WTF is that. Why can't you bargain for better?

Sh1t brains! Thanks for making any thought of ever flying for a regional or any jet job completely pointless. Especially you guys at the top, who are making a little more than 20k, and have greater bargaining power.

I also saw a sh1tbrain doofus at ORD the other day with his big @ss backpack on his back, both straps, with an Ipod. What kind of freak-tard does that. Don't you know alllll the people in the airport are LAUGHING at you.

Regional Airline pilot ain't no better than puttin gas in a C152 in Cowpie, Iowa.

I'm not expert, but like everyone else but you guys getting paid $20k and less to fly a jet on $100,000.00s school bills, a Bachleors degree in something or other.

 

[idoitupsidedown]

From the outside looking in, why do college graduates even think they are worth less than lets say a local police officer, who probably starts at 33k+ a year.

What kind of morons are you, $20k a year? WTF is that. Why can't you bargain for better?

Sh1t brains! Thanks for making any thought of ever flying for a regional or any jet job completely pointless. Especially you guys at the top, who are making a little more than 20k, and have greater bargaining power.

I also saw a sh1tbrain doofus at ORD the other day with his big @ss backpack on his back, both straps, with an Ipod. What kind of freak-tard does that. Don't you know alllll the people in the airport are LAUGHING at you.

Regional Airline pilot ain't no better than puttin gas in a C152 in Cowpie, Iowa.

You're right. It makes no sense, yet I can't think of anything I'd rather do than fly airplanes for a living. If I could afford a pshrink, I'd probably try to get help....

 

[Metro752]

have some self respect, what was the point of going to college if you can't make more than a burger flipper who works full time?

You guys are like the illegal aliens working at WalMart for $4/hr when everyone else makes like $6.50, and gets the store discount.

 

[idoitupsidedown]

What, exactly then, do you do for a living? and if the answer is that your a pilot, what were you making when you had 1k hrs?

 

[Metro752]

I'm a college student, i just quit my comcast job I had for about 6 months so I could pick up another major. (reason why I said from the outside looking in)

I posted elsewhere, that comcast job (cable disconnects) in a year could make about 45k, so I made about 20k during the time I worked there.. Hard work yes, but no more hours than flying a regional jet.

Why do you college grad regional pilots put forth so much effort in school, and building hours, only to live paycheck to paycheck on cup noodles and mooching off your folks, girlfriends, and buddies.

Why don't yall stand up for yourselves and get a decent wage.

20x75 hours @ Colgan = 19.2k a year (airlinepilotpay.com). Not includin per diem, whoopdee do What I don't get is why you get paid about $20k your first year, then it jumps like 5-10k 2nd year. Because you sit on reserve means you don't need anymore money to survive on your own?

 

[SeaLord]

Metro,you needs to chill out dude. Since this doesn't apply to you, stay out of the discussion until it does. Spewing negativity doesn't answer the man's question, and only seems to tick people off.
OK, back to question at hand. Noone so far has mentioned the one true American way.....credit!! Most guys I came up with used the credit cards and loans until they picked up a working wife, or a pay raise. I'm flying for one of the lowest paid airlines (Skyway) on the planet, and we've all came out the otherside without things being repo'd.
Yes it sucks, but you'll make it through. And sell that fricken SUV man.....

 

[idoitupsidedown]

Hard work yes, but no more hours than flying a regional jet.

Ehh. I guess I'm just lazy.

And I appologize, I'm not upset at Metro's Q (it's definatly a valid one). I just dont have a good answer and wish i had worked on a business degree while i was getting my certificates instead of an aviation degree.

 

[Metro752]

kk im out, but in a few years, can ya'll fix it!?

 

[HMR]

What, exactly then, do you do for a living? and if the answer is that your a pilot, what were you making when you had 1k hrs?

How about this for an idea? A few years back, I was CFI'ing 40+hrs a week for $20/hr. One of my students hired me to fly a T210 for $32K/yr. I flew one day per week and had a fixed schedule so I was able to double dip with my CFI job (do the math; that's pretty good dough). I took a pay cut to fly PT135 King Air's for two years. I was able to build enough experience to get hired as a captain at a PT91 Corp. Dept. Our first year captains make more than an 18yr RJ captain @ SkyWest. We're scheduled 60-90 days in advance and fly a lot less than any 121 guys I know of.

If the Regionals/Majors are your thing, great. Just wanted to highlight some other options. You guys who make ends meet on $20K/yr with $100K in school debt are a lot smarter about finance than I'll ever be.

 

[msuspartans24]

From the outside looking in, why do college graduates even think they are worth less than lets say a local police officer, who probably starts at 33k+ a year.

What kind of morons are you, $20k a year? WTF is that. Why can't you bargain for better?

Sh1t brains! Thanks for making any thought of ever flying for a regional or any jet job completely pointless. Especially you guys at the top, who are making a little more than 20k, and have greater bargaining power.

I also saw a sh1tbrain doofus at ORD the other day with his big @ss backpack on his back, both straps, with an Ipod. What kind of freak-tard does that. Don't you know alllll the people in the airport are LAUGHING at you.

Regional Airline pilot ain't no better than puttin gas in a C152 in Cowpie, Iowa.

I'm not expert, but like everyone else but you guys getting paid $20k and less to fly a jet on $100,000.00s school bills, a Bachleors degree in something or other.

I guess that we should all hope that you get hired at our regional carrier so that you can imput all your valuable knowledge so that the problem can be fixed. Get a life A$$hole! Did you ever think that there is more to this career than making money? Gee what a novel idea, work a job that you actually enjoy doing even though it's not the top paying job out there. Your attitude shows why you will never make it in this industry.

 

[idoitupsidedown]

How about this for an idea? A few years back, I was CFI'ing 40+hrs a week for $20/hr. One of my students hired me to fly a T210 for $32K/yr. I flew one day per week and had a fixed schedule so I was able to double dip with my CFI job (do the math; that's pretty good dough). I took a pay cut to fly PT135 King Air's for two years. I was able to build enough experience to get hired as a captain at a PT91 Corp. Dept. Our first year captains make more than an 18yr RJ captain @ SkyWest. We're scheduled 60-90 days in advance and fly a lot less than any 121 guys I know of.

If the Regionals/Majors are your thing, great. Just wanted to highlight some other options. You guys who make ends meet on $20K/yr with $100K in school debt are a lot smarter about finance than I'll ever be.

That ain't bad

 

[Groundpounder]

You have to commute from north of FLL to MIA.. Why??

Cause the airline I'd be flying for is based at MIA and thats where I'd have to commute to.

 

[pilotyip]

See the guy who did not go to college could have the $20K job without the $100K debt and be 4 years along in his career. The HS grad is probably flying RJ Captain at $50K-$60K with no debt having the college trained pilot jerking gear for him for $20K. But this does make sense to alot of the pilots on this board. I just have not figured it out yet.

 

[Crash Pad]

Groundpounder: Run! get away from this profession. I have zero useful job skills so I'm stuck... You still have a chance. All these people are missing the point. Sure you can put together a month a week a year on nothing but long term you are screwed. You are always one major medical, car accident, etc from going in to major credit debt. The credit idea is garbage. Maybe you pay it off in a couple years you still miss the big picture.

The pension is gone. So you have to save for retirement now. Compound interest doubling etc... You need to be set up well by the time you are 30. ($100,000 or so) The high paying jobs are gone... So you will no longer be able to make up for lost time when you get older.
So while you string together a couple poor years the real problem is you screwed yourself for the rest of your life.
RUN

 

[pilotyip]

Wrong crashpad $100k/yr is still very doable flying an airplane. That puts you in the upper 5%-10% of national income. Where else can a High School grad count on making that much money, doing something they like, and have a lot of days off?

 

[Groundpounder]

See the guy who did not go to college could have the $20K job without the $100K debt and be 4 years along in his career. The HS grad is probably flying RJ Captain at $50K-$60K with no debt having the college trained pilot jerking gear for him for $20K. But this does make sense to alot of the pilots on this board. I just have not figured it out yet.

When that non-college educated captian loses his medical, he is stuck with a $20k a year job. When the guy with college degree loses his job, or decides he doesn't want to fly, he goes and gets a $50k a year job using his degree.

 

[pilotyip]

old post but it fits

The fallback value of a degree is greatly over rated. I have a BS and a Master's in Management, but at age 53, I was making $250/wk loading cargo. After Zantop pretended to go out of went out of business in 1997, I had been a temporary High School Chemistry Teacher up until two weeks before the cargo job came along. However, they do not teach school in the summer so I had to take the cargo job. The value of an unused degree is highly over rated. 53 year old unemployed airline pilots are not eagerly greeted in any industry that I know of, even of having a couple degrees. Of course, I did not apply for many of the "College degree preferred jobs" such as apt manager, telephone direct sales, plumping floor manager at Home Depot, etc. If you get a college degree you have to use, the knowledge gained in college to develop a career or the degree is useless. After getting a degree, flying an airplane is not a knowledge expanding experience; it is skill development experience. Anyone care to chime in and share their experiences on entering the non-aviation job market after being out of college 20-30 years?

 

[DetoXJ]

When that non-college educated captian loses his medical, he is stuck with a $20k a year job. When the guy with college degree loses his job, or decides he doesn't want to fly, he goes and gets a $50k a year job using his degree.

What? You mean regional FO's really can't do any better at Home Depot or McDonalds?

 

[labbats]

A real man lets his woman support him. :beer:

 

[Crash Pad]

PilotYip... I hope you are right. Like I said I'm stuck... I have no useful job skills.