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thatpilotguy

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Ok, so here's the deal. I am new to the whole lav thing, but it seems that we get an ocassional lingering odor in the lav area. What is the best way to fight this nasty smell??

I have heard that it is best to store the aircraft with the lav empty if it is not going to fly for a couple of days. Is that true?

Is there a better sustitute for the blue water? I have seen/heard of people using other options...I would love to hear what people think.

Any advice would be great...
 
Go to Wal-Mart and look in the RV section. Get some of those little blue juice packets. Dump a few of those in there. Works like a charm.

I used to live in a trailer... :)
 
With us we had to start spraying down the carpet surrounding the lav with ozium or fabreze until we could get some shampoo on it. We're talking about a public restroom peed on the floor type smell here.
 
its the blue water that smells as well as piss on the floor. I dont know if storing it empty is a good idea unless you dump it and fill it and dump it and fill it and dump again since urine is very corosive, but I think blue juice is pretty corrosive as well. The reason it doesnt smell in flight is probably because it has a vent that pressurized air flows out. Coffee grounds will soak up the smell though, works for blood should work for blue juice.
 
Excellent. Thanks for all the advice. Is anyone using something other than the blue water? I have heard that the fractionals use something different. I was wondering if what ever they are using has a more pleasant smell. I like the bleach idea, and will give that a try. We have been using the "odor eliminator" spray from the appearance group. It seems to have no smell at all and works really well, but the bottle is small and I'm scared what it costs to replace it. Thanks for all the advice...keep it coming...
 
thatpilotguy said:
Excellent. Thanks for all the advice. Is anyone using something other than the blue water? I have heard that the fractionals use something different. I was wondering if what ever they are using has a more pleasant smell. I like the bleach idea, and will give that a try. We have been using the "odor eliminator" spray from the appearance group. It seems to have no smell at all and works really well, but the bottle is small and I'm scared what it costs to replace it. Thanks for all the advice...keep it coming...

You don't like the smell of the Berry Blue Kool-Aid? When I was a Line Service Technician (Read: ramp rat) at Signature the only thing I ever put in a lav besides blue juice was water. I forget what plane in particular took it, but I just remember arguing with the pilot. He didn't understand why I wouldn't hook the Potable water cart up to the lav hook up. Apparently they did it in Boston.
 
Non-Blue Juice is typically used in aircraft like BE40s that have aft lavs and are suit-case type that you ahve to carry through the cabin to dump. The use of non-blue juice is so if any drips on the carpet, you won't see a big blue stain.

I assume you have a lav that is servicable externally. 1st, always make sure you have the proper amount of fluid going back into the unit. You can tell that by how quickly you see water when it is flushed. When you flush it, water should appear right away. If there is even the slightest delay, you do not have enough in there. That's the 1st step in ensuring the smell stays away.

As for getting rid of the smell, get some scalding hot water and fill the lav with it. If it normally takes 1.5 gallons, put in 2 gallons. Pour the scalding hot water directly into the toilet. Now flush it 4 or 5 times and dump it. Repeat that process 2 or 3 times.

Now, get some more hot water and add bleach to it. Put the same amount of water in there and pour a healthy amount of bleach in behind it or premix it before you pour it into the toilet, it does not matter which way you do it. Flush it 4 or 5 times and leave it overnight, but not longer than about 12 hours max. Power the plane back up flush it once or twice and dump it. Now add your regular fill and it should be good to go. If smell is still there after all that, then you might have a leak somewhere from a frozen line or something of that sort.

As for leaving the lav empty I would only do that if it is possibly going to freeze. Otherwise, you should have an additive in the lav water that eats bacteria (what turns the water blue), so leaving it in there does more good than bad. If it has been idle for a few days just service the lav before your flight. Good luck.........
 
Was in South America for three weeks last year, no blue juice anywhere. What to do to get rid of the stink? Run down to the local grocery store, find the toilet fresheners which use a liquid color/deoderant (only found the pine scent). Pry off the cap and squeeze the entire contents into the stinky lav. Worked great, no more stink for the rest of the trip and made us all think we were out on a camping trip $hitting in the woods.
 
"How do you cure a stinky lav?"

Are you referring to the changes at FlightInfo?
 
The FBO I used to work at had some lav stuff that we used that wasn't blue. I forget the name of it, but I can check when I get back home tomorrow. Most people were happy with it, but we still carried the blue 'tea bags' for the few operators that wanted their lav water to be blue.
 
"Celeste" brand blue packets do a great job. At the old job we had the same problem. MX found wads of TP and you know what that were not ever drained when dumping. Mx would run a garden hose in the plane and spray the crap out about once a week. In researching this, mx found that the lav tank was not tilted enough towards the drain to allow all solid matter to go out when dumping the water. Pardon the pun but it was a piss poor design
 
Ah, the old stinky lav, mouthwash does work. If you have a cabin attendant in-flight on the trip, he/she can go into the lav, after the passenger uses it and wipe it down and refresh it. Also, if you can put some styrofoam cups with white vinegar in it, in the lav, while the plane is down for the night.

The vinegar helps absorb odors. The vinegar is also good for a smoky cabin, if the passengers smoked on a long flight.
 
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I've found that if you find a chick with a sweet a$$ on an overnight, you can give her like 20 bucks to go fart in the lav...cheers it right up.
 
We use straight water in the Lear 60. Learjet found out that blue water was leaking and corroding the spar.

We use ozium to freshen the lav. every plane should have some of that stuff on board, its a lifesaver.
 
I also use those rv packs from wal-mart. After the line sevices the potty I add a pack to the potty. If the plane is to sit on a hot ramp I add another and flush a couple of times. Be sure every so often you rinse the thing out with warm water and clorox. Ozium or febreeze on the carpet helps a little with those whose aim is a lot off....
 
So if there is clear water in the lav it does not leak? Or it is OK for clear water to leak, just not the blue. I'd think Bombardier would fix the leak in the 1st place. What Bombardier service center told you blue water was causing the spar to corrode? I'd get a 2nd opinion on what is causing that spar to corrode. That's 1 heck of a blue water leak!

Not rolling on you Rokit, just there has to be more to the story than that.


Rokit88 said:
We use straight water in the Lear 60. Learjet found out that blue water was leaking and corroding the spar.

We use ozium to freshen the lav. every plane should have some of that stuff on board, its a lifesaver.
 
Its just that blue water is corrosive. This info comes right from the Learjet training center in Dallas. They told us that a few of the flexjet 60s were having problems so they tell everyone now to not use blue.

its just a cheap plastic bucket in there, its bound to leak a little bit. I guess regular water is ok.

Thats the info I've got. And thats all I know.
 
thatpilotguy said:
Ok, so here's the deal. I am new to the whole lav thing, but it seems that we get an ocassional lingering odor in the lav area. What is the best way to fight this nasty smell??

Hate to state the obvious but no one else has. We've had a lav job before with blue juice replacement only and it still stinks. That bowl needs a good 'ole fashoined scrubbing with a nasty toilet bowl brush and the correct cleaner. Spraying and wiping down the lav compartment helps too.
 
College boy don't know nuthing about plane fix'n

Fact is, the 'blue water' is corrosive. Mostly because is water and the blue stain it leaves is just a quick reference that the mechanics have to point that out. I have chased enough corrosion to back it up as a fact - not my first rodeo.

If you have a removable potty, take it out of the plane, hose it down and let it air dry (and leave the door of the aircraft open to air out)
If you have a mounted LAV, such as in Challengers and Gulfstreams. Dump the LAV, flush it with fresh water and remove it from the aircraft. You may have a leaking LAV or worse.
Yes, the RV stuff works well if you have the right mixture ratio. I don't recomend using any bleach, it will eat up your dump seal and will eventually preload the dumpshoot. (notice the guy with blue arms or shoes on the ramp)

The best preventive measure for the smell would to dump and flush with fresh water in the LAV, dump again and leave empty until you are ready to leave.


FYI, if you do wind up having corrosion and it turns into a big ordeal, have the mechanic paint inside the belly of the aircraft under the LAV area with matahorn white. This will protect the ribs, stringers and inner skin from any future problems.
 
do what the others have said. dump and fill. then dump again and then fill with warm water and bleach. Let it sit for 20 mins or so then dump. then fill again. I know a lot of the lav carts have a hand pump to refill but those are typically off so just filling a bucket and then throwing the packet in and then filling from the inside works really well.

Also in the winter putting a little bit of glycol in the water will solve your freezing issue. And dont do like a certain crew i used to know when i worked line service and leave a full lav to stew on the plane during the summer for a few days. Had to dump the thing and fill from the inside and i felt pretty damn bad for any pax that had to ride on that jet. nastiest lav i ever dumped
 

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