How do they do it at EJA?

[sewertube]

also..

Many of the clients or owners are in the fractional program so they can stay out of the airlines, and have some control over the flight. A lot of them only like to see the Captains flying, and if that is what they want to see then there is no problem in keeping them happy, and FO's get plenty of stick time regardless.

 

[COEX-FO]

A lot of them only like to see the Captains flying, and if that is what they want to see then there is no problem

The customer is ALWAYS right, after all he is paying the bills.

Thanks for the insight

 

[Stickshaker]

COEX-FO

COEX-FO
I'm an FO at EJA and it's not like what your thinking. First of all I'm flying as much as the Captain on most days and that's fine with me, I don't care if there is someone in the back or not on my leg.
I know that may seem different to you but it's not a big deal.
I'm also flying in the left seat, I bet that may seam strange for you as well. Did I mention that I'm making Captains pay as an FO as well? Also I worked HALF the days you did last month for twice as much money.

Now, if flying on the non pax. legs for the first 250 hours was a big deal for me then I would have bid Capt. months ago. I could have MADE Capt. my first month here.

As a furloughed 121 pilot I'm telling you I would never go back to the Airlines (including all the majors). This is a great job.

 

[flydog]

Welcome to the age old seat swap debate

The corporate world is funny as you will find the biggest and baddest egos in aviation. I have worked with some Captains where the FOs where never allowed to fly the airplane.

At Coex guys with 700 hrs where hired and were flying pax legs from day one. At Exec Jet you can be hired with 10,000 hrs and be prohibited from flying pax legs

Thats funny because Exec Jet advertises that all their aircraft operate with TWO Captain qualified pilots. The differences in experience in some aicraft may be as little as 4-6 months of seniority. In some cases the Captain may have far less time and experience than a 10,000 hr new hire.

The bottom line is there is no way for an FO to learn the job unless he or she flies the aircraft during all conditions, IFR or VFR, pax or empty, "black hole" approaches or visuals. Captain IOE is no place for an individual to learn how to fly a jet. Sometimes there may not be an empty leg for days and couple that with days off its easy for an FO to forget everything they learned on that single landing 2 weeks ago.

If I feel comfortable in an airplane I would have a new FO fly every leg the first few days unless he or she scared the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** out of me then I would restrict it to empty until their proficiency increased to the point where it doesnt scare pax. With a proficient FO the flying is split every other leg.

If an FO cant fly the airplane competently with pax they dont belong in the airplane period

 

[stingray]

A newly typed pilot being put in a new airframe, How well did you handle your current airplane the first times you flew it?
Most new FO's simply cannot operate the aircraft as smoothly as the captain, which 99.9% of the time has more hrs in a paticular airframe. (Typed or not this true at any company or airline.)
How many hrs in a new airframe does it take a pilot to start flying it smoothly?
You have 2 typed pilots who flys smoother the 1000hr in airframe pilot, or the 10hr in airframe pilot. usally its the 1000hr in type.
(Yes we all know this policy isn't possible in the airline industry, at least for most of them.)
But after someone spends millions of dollars on a plane with us they whant the smoothest ride possible. Can you blame them. This is one of the reasons this is a policy at eja not to have the FO's fly pax legs unless they have 250hrs in the plane. Most get the hrs in a few months. FO's here will probably be flying 40 to 50% of the legs before that. almost half the flights already.
If someone can't handle this,with left seat time after 50hrs, upgrade within a yr if they whant,being typed as an FO, they might be to much of a problem child anyways.