How do negotiations work at SKYW?

[Jon Rivoli]

This pay proposal is about exactly what I expected. Last time it was the Brasillia guys that got screwed, this time it's the jet FO's. The proposal will pass 50.5% to 49.5% same as last time. If they put forward a package that gets 100% support they are being too generous with the stockholders money. They have their finger on the pulse of the pilot group and know just how much to give to whom to get it passed.

 

[CA1900]

Here's how it works, guys:

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[PBRstreetgang]

couldn't help myself, either

Sure you can, stick the lit end of a shotgun into your mouth and blow!

 

[Flyerdan]

Sure you can, stick the lit end of a shotgun into your mouth and blow!

Very rude as usual.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Its a double barrel, you can try your luck on the other barrel, no charge!

 

[Flyerdan]

Thanks Sweetie!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Could the SKYW guys clarify this for me...

Say you vote this pay-raise down and the company refuses to budge.

You refuse to budge and the company refuses to budge. What happens then?

Its like a Utah version of a Kabuki theater. The company shills(SAPA), sell like there is no tomorrow, lots of hand wringing and wailing, throw a little drama(new codeshare), threats(we don't think they will go for more, just take this and we will work on the next paypackage). 10 years and its still the same old stuff, I wonder what this years sales sound bite will be? The deal me an Ace bite will be hard to top! The sky is following, the sky is falling, whatever.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Thanks Sweetie!

Ratings: Commercial, CL65SIC
Says it all!
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Just think, if Sky West Pilots had voted in Alpa they could be just as happy as our pilots over here at Pinnacle.

Why don't you shut up and type, isn't there a flight to follow or sumptin?
PBR

 

[Gr82Aviate]

It's basically take it or leave it. If it's voted down management will shuffle the money around and come out with a new package. Last time I believe it was a 1.0% raise for everyone. It was voted down then they came back with 1.2% for the jet and 0 for the EMB. That time it passed.

Wrong! The first time it was 1.2% for everyone, and they came back with 1.0000000000% for the crj and the big 0.000000000000000000000000% for the EMB!

 

[WalterSobchak]

...this dispatcher, who routinely gives you release fuel that would make you fall out of the sky halfway to your destination...

I don't give two craps about who is representing who, who is union represented and who isn't, who is lowering the bar this week, etc. It ain't my workgroup, it ain't my business...I'll let you all hash out the accusations and the insults towards each other like a bunch of high school cheerleaders.

However, seeing how I actively ping the tanks of a certain percentage of my ACARS equipped flights at regular intervals (push, several times enroute, and landing) on a daily basis in order to find anomalies in our flight planning software...I'm gonna have to respectfully call you out on this one.

Only twice have I found anomalies on the selected flights I monitored that were beyond +/- 350 lbs of planned landing fuel on the CRJ2 . One of those times was a step-climb that was deeply hidden away in the expanded flight plan portion of the release that neither I, nor the captain found until long after the landing had been made, I had been accused of trying to kill everyone, and spent 2 hours after work investigating what happened. We learned something that day, fixed the problem, and moved on.

While I'm aware that 53 gallons of Jet A is a big deal, it is hardly the gross underfueling we are accused of releasing you guys and gals with. What I think you are confusing is the difference between release fuel and MINTO...and I readily admit, not enough of us plan as well as we'd like for long taxi delays and holding...but the majority of us try. That said, if you fly the profile planned on a normal day with no/limited holding, you will be damn close to estimated landing fuel when the wheels touch the ground.

I will always remember my first jumpseat as a new dispatcher. The captain tried to make a point to me how our enroute fuel burns are always wrong, so he added 500 extra lbs of fuel, stating that we would burn into of it because our fuel estimates are so wrong. He flew the profile and we landed with estimated landing fuel + 450 lbs. He was so pissed, he didn't speak to me and refused to shake my hand when I deplaned.

Finally, last I checked, when you sign off on a release, you are essentially signing your life away into a legal contract between you and your dispatcher...stating that you both concur that the information contained in that document has been checked and double checked by both of you and that you both agree that it is correct. If you feel like you're THAT underfueled, maybe a phone call is in order before signing off on that release.

Sorry for the thread hijack...get back to ripping each other to shreds. Just defending my people...even XPOO.

 

[Bako Cap]

I will always remember my first jumpseat as a new dispatcher. The captain tried to make a point to me how our enroute fuel burns are always wrong, so he added 500 extra lbs of fuel, stating that we would burn into of it because our fuel estimates are so wrong. He flew the profile and we landed with estimated landing fuel + 450 lbs. He was so pissed, he didn't speak to me and refused to shake my hand when I deplaned.

This always cracks me up. I know too many pilots who put on an extra 500#s EVERY flight like it is really going to save their bacon. 500#s in a really bad situation is still not enough. Like you said, if you don't like the fuel load then DO NOT SIGN OFF ON THE RELEASE and call your dispatcher.

 

[Nevets]

Newsflash....it already is, Steven. Thanks for your concern from your ExpressJet cockpit. What is going to happen when SkyWest takes your company's Delta flying out of LAX?

Newsflash...my name is not Steven.

I do have deep concerns. This affects us all. But you are welcome anyways.

NEWSFLASH
Our LAX flights do not belong to my company. They belong to Delta. But in any case, I wouldn't hold my breath either way.

 

[XPOO]

Nevets, steveN backwards. Whatever. Are you going to tell me that as long as the SkyWest pilots are the highest paid pilots in the regional industry that it will suddenly be ok as SkyWest continues to scoop up more of the other regional's flying? Rhetorical question, Woodcock. Set of ten.

 

[Nevets]

Nevets, steveN backwards. Whatever. Are you going to tell me that as long as the SkyWest pilots are the highest paid pilots in the regional industry that it will suddenly be ok as SkyWest continues to scoop up more of the other regional's flying? Rhetorical question, Woodcock. Set of ten.

Look underneath steven backwards and you just might figure out my real name.

My point is that Delta decides who does that flying seeing that its THEIR flying to give. You keep saying that its "other regional's flying" when in fact its not.

At this point, there is little I can do as a pilot to prevent Delta from giving ITS flying to whoever it wants (other than trying to improve our metrics) but it if at least goes to the highest paid pilots, that would be better than going to the lowest paid pilots, IMHO.

 

[Gnarloooo]

This always cracks me up. I know too many pilots who put on an extra 500#s EVERY flight like it is really going to save their bacon. 500#s in a really bad situation is still not enough. Like you said, if you don't like the fuel load then DO NOT SIGN OFF ON THE RELEASE and call your dispatcher.

There's probably alot of dead people who would have liked to have an extra 1/2 hour of gas. And if I don't like my fuel load, which I rarely do, then I will just put on more. Calling dispatch every time would ruin the all important MST.

 

[Tomct]

Negotiations....WHAT NEGOTIATIONS. Jerry say's JUMP and they all say....."...eehhhh....how high sir!..." Good job 67%er's!imp:

 

[10nCLR]

Negotiations....WHAT NEGOTIATIONS. Jerry say's JUMP and they all say....."...eehhhh....how high sir!..." Good job 67%er's!imp:

JUMP YOU FOOL, JUMP!!!!!! DAMN IT!!!

 

[XPOO]

There's probably alot of dead people who would have liked to have an extra 1/2 hour of gas. And if I don't like my fuel load, which I rarely do, then I will just put on more. Calling dispatch every time would ruin the all important MST.

Well, sh!t, son...Why don't you just fill the tanks up to full capacity for every flight then? Problem mother-f-in' solved. Hellz, you could go one better by just deicing before every take-off, whether it needs it or not. It's some radical thinking on your part, but I like it.

 

[Morning Wood]

At this point, there is little I can do as a pilot to prevent Delta from giving ITS flying to whoever it wants (other than trying to improve our metrics) but it if at least goes to the highest paid pilots, that would be better than going to the lowest paid pilots, IMHO.

Horizon isn't in the running for the flying.