How do I find a good corporate job?

[inthewind]

The corp. gig I'd have to move. I have three daughters and am divorced. So the ability to live near them may be worth more to me than cash. The corp gig has BBJ, G-IV and CL-65's

 

[semperfido]

sounds like you don't really have a choice after all. as moving is not an option.

....if you didn't have to move too far and it was a P91, well managed, good bunch of guys, good company with long term prospects kind of place....then i would take the corp job. BUT, family first, job second.

.....

 

[HMR]

Choose the kids.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Been away from my kids before and it sucks worse than anything has ever sucked.

Go with the kids. Your sanity will thank you.

 

[kingairyahoo]

another vote for the kids...thats what keeps me in the king airs. the jet guys can poke fun, but im home most every night except for 2-3 a month, while they are stuck on the other coast for 5 nights a week...regionals arent even an option for all of the afore mentioned reasons

 

[AZ Typed]

Plus i am still on probation so once i get a line i will have a lot better schedule.

HA HA...that 'ol trick. Don't fall for it. Give yourself a few years "greenie".

AZT

 

[Lear70]

Whoaaa, wait a second. Good Corporate Gig + good pay + BBJ, G-IV, CL-65 (all large cabin class jets) = $40,000 to start, $70,000 as Captain?

No offense, but those are some of the worst pay rates for those classes of aircraft I have ever seen in my life. Am I missing something? Those aren't even CLOSE to NBAA numbers for those aircraft.

Should be closer to $60-75k for a starting F/O, $95-125k for Captain (both categories depending on region), plus benefits such as full medical, dental, 401k with a good employer match, vacation, and sick leave.

Wouldn't leave my regional job for anything less... which is probably why I'm still here. Sure as h*ll wouldn't take a pay CUT (from my $75k 5th year Regional Capt pay averaging 13 days of a month) to $40k for an F/O? On a Gulfstream?

There must be something I'm missing here...

Oh yeah, another vote for "stay with the kids". My wife was divorced with a 9 year old little girl and I wouldn't ask her to move for anything in the world unless it was to somewhere within an hour's or so drive - that just wouldn't be fair to either the little girl, her dad, or my wife having to drive back and forth. Plus, it'd be just like commuting if you were swapping kids every weekend over 200 miles or more of road.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Add my vote to the "kids". I dont even have kids yet, but with all the time I spend at home I can see the benefit.

I do agree with Lear70 though. NBAA publishes average pay brackets for equipment types. You should be paid somewhere close to those averages regardless of how good the lifestyle is.

 

[Brett Hull]

Lear 70,

I believe the good pay was in reference to World Airways (last sentance of post 27). And the 45K and 70K are 1st and 2nd year f/o pay. 1st year Captain is around 115K.

inthewind,

Is this corporate job in CMH?

 

[Lear70]

Oh, OK... I gotcha now.. thanks.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Are averages "Average Starting Salary" or is that a CAREER AVERAGE?

A lot of guys at Corporate gigs have been there 20 years. With longevity pay steps they're going to push the average numbers up.

This is why it is important to know the Median and the Mode salary for each equipment type as well.

 

[HMR]

Legacy- I have most of the new salary surveys. Your pay is way below average.

Try to remember that your owner is probably paying $200,000 per month just in loan payments on your jet. At some point, somebody sat down with him and made a conscious decision to low-ball the pilots. Not cool.

What kind of salary is your CP bringing in?
-If it's less than $150K, I'll bet he's an ex-regional guy who's just giddy to be making the "big bucks".
-If it's more than $150K, I'll bet he told the boss, "You know what? There's a bunch of Regional guys we could hire to fly this thing for peanuts".

Either way there's something wrong.

 

[HMR]

Are averages "Average Starting Salary" or is that a CAREER AVERAGE?

Our dept. takes the "Average" NBAA figure and adds 15% for location. This is considered "starting pay" for a new PIC. If you had previous experience, your salary would be figured accordingly. A number of the senior pilots in our area are "off the chart".

 

[LegacyDriver]

Dude no way!

Well, I try to look at the bright side: I make $140/flight hour. At the Regional I was making $47 as a Captain on bigger equipment. Can you say "Arse rape" ?

I know we are low-balled. Legacy pilots should make $90K a year. But I also assume that is on-call 24/7 pilots and at least I am not in *that* boat. I'd kill myself.



But...again, is the *AVERAGE* based on *all* pilots of *all* experience levels and *all* longevity numbers for that equipment?

If you have 3 guys with 20 years and one guy with 4 years you might get an average of $120,000 a year. But if you reversed it and had 3 guys with 4 years and one guy with 20 you might only see $80,000 for an average.

See what I mean?

I guess it would help to know what the NBAA survey is measuring.

 

[g159av8tor]

Another vote for the kids...I mean look at my frigg'n avatar!!!

But as far as World is concerned, I have two friend that currently fly there. FWIW, one is a divirced father of two and the other is a bachelor. I can tell you that long trips away from his boy are not reconciled by the time at home. The single dude loves it for all the reasons a single guy would.

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