How can I drink the Brown Kool-aid if I cant hold my food down

[Uppercrust]

I heard Southwest Airlines insurance company was raising the rates due to the Airtran acquistion. I am NOT FLAMING ON THIS EITHER. I thought it was funny.

 

[Lear70]

Heard something similar, said it was due to the fact that our F/O's aren't typed on the aircraft they fly.

SWA management reportedly asked our training dept about typing all F/O's as they come back through recurrent training with a slightly longer course and a type ride at the end. Said something about our POI wouldn't go for it without the "full course" then re-training in the right seat - he's a firm believer in "train for the seat you're going to fly in".

Don't know where it went from there.

 

[The Prussian]

There are costs due to this acquisition.

Remember that all of our pilots were hired as Captains.

 

[islandhoper]

There are costs due to this acquisition.

Remember that all of our pilots were hired as Captains.

Would you please state the qualifications, skills and experience you had when you were hired by SouthWest? I'm really curious to see if they were so different than the AirTran average.

 

[carl p]

Heard something similar, said it was due to the fact that our F/O's aren't typed on the aircraft they fly.

SWA management reportedly asked our training dept about typing all F/O's as they come back through recurrent training with a slightly longer course and a type ride at the end. Said something about our POI wouldn't go for it without the "full course" then re-training in the right seat - he's a firm believer in "train for the seat you're going to fly in".

Don't know where it went from there.

Some of us are...

 

[Lear70]

Me too, but some aren't.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Gimme and EEEEE Gimmie an IIIIIII Gimmie an SSSS gimmie a CCCCCCC Gimmie a HHHHH gimmie an EEEEE gimmie NNNNN What does it spell? EISCHEN! Arbitrator par excellence!

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Please inform your MEC that you want this voted down. It will save me the trouble of having to decide if I should hold my nose and vote for this POS or vote no.

 

[madjack]

-9cpt: Let's continue this conversation when you fly as my FO...

I will gladly fly with you if I am more senior, hell I will bid a line with you...that means I will get the 1.25 override...you can show me how to operate the airplane and even show me your photo album with all your toys and the second home you bought with the 70K raise you just got...congrats unless you AAI dumba##es vote this down...

 

[4day]

-9cpt: Let's continue this conversation when you fly as my fo...

I will gladly fly with you if i am more senior, hell i will bid a line with you...that means i will get the 1.25 override...you can show me how to operate the airplane and even show me your photo album with all your toys and the second home you bought with the 70k raise you just got...congrats unless you aai dumba##es vote this down...

pos...

 

[carpediem]

Hey madjack, I would love for you to fly my right seat. I'll teach you how to use speedbrakes, flaps, rnav, and hell even a visual app if your nice

 

[Fubijaakr]

-you can show me how to operate the airplane and even show me your photo album with all your toys and the second home you bought with the 70K raise you just got...congrats unless you AAI dumba##es vote this down...

Seriously, why won't any of you SWA F/Os answer this simple question:

Why do you care what the other SWA (AAI) pilots make? Does it lower YOUR income a single cent? And, after your seniority grab won't you make even MORE money than you do today?

Honestly, its a SENIORITY LIST INTEGRATION, not a pay rate integration.

Or is it just because you swallowed the red herring in order to justify your seniority grab?

 

[madjack]

Hey madjack, I would love for you to fly my right seat. I'll teach you how to use speedbrakes, flaps, rnav, and hell even a visual app if your nice

I am always nice...life's to short to be pissed off and last year I made $160K working 3 days a week...all I ask is if it is my leg try and let me fly it...that may be hard if you are ADHD/type A, but you then you can fly all the legs...

 

[madjack]

Why do you care what the other SWA (AAI) pilots make?

i only care what SWA pilots make...

 

[doer42]

Dude, I was hired at SWA in early 2001, and with this deal I only have 1450 AAI guys behind me. Just one example of how far from reality your perceptions are. Let me know when you catch up.

PapaWoody

There are less than 1700 pilots at AT. It wouldn't take much more to put them all behind you. Vote it down and maybe you can have all of them behind you. Just a thought.

 

[texman]

Seriously, why won't any of you SWA F/Os answer this simple question:

Why do you care what the other SWA (AAI) pilots make? Does it lower YOUR income a single cent? And, after your seniority grab won't you make even MORE money than you do today?

Honestly, its a SENIORITY LIST INTEGRATION, not a pay rate integration.

Or is it just because you swallowed the red herring in order to justify your seniority grab?

I think some of the SR wn Fo's are upset because the snapshot date really was not a snap shot date. Or at least some think. Past couple of months AT has had captain upgrades. Those 05 hire guys can be captain and never get bumped out of his seat with SL9. So I can see why a 10 year WN fo would be upset. It really is about 815 slots. I think those slots where recognized in sept 2010. Somebody correct me if I am wrong.

 

[stalker]

Yep,

And liquidating us cant happen overnight. Do u think we will not drag SWA in the toilet in the process.

Arbitration is a nuclear option. Right now there are missiles in Cuba and Turkey.

You have 6000 missiles and we have 1800. Just means u can blow it up 3 times more than us. But the fallout can kill everyone.

And the winning reason why I thought this was the worst idea in SWA history. Guys that are not even on the payroll are already talking about burning the place down. That great ALPA mentality, give us what we want or the whole place goes up in smoke! Please vote this down so Mr. Kelly might still have time to realize what a bunch of militants he has just hired. With any luck he will sell off the 717,s due to the new economic uncertainty and right the ship before it is dragged under.

 

[On Your Six]

Gimme and EEEEE Gimmie an IIIIIII Gimmie an SSSS gimmie a CCCCCCC Gimmie a HHHHH gimmie an EEEEE gimmie NNNNN What does it spell? EISCHEN! Arbitrator par excellence!

That might be a really good idea. Or, have your MEC reject the current deal and look for a better one. Consider it.



OYS

 

[On Your Six]

And the winning reason why I thought this was the worst idea in SWA history. Guys that are not even on the payroll are already talking about burning the place down. That great ALPA mentality, give us what we want or the whole place goes up in smoke! Please vote this down so Mr. Kelly might still have time to realize what a bunch of militants he has just hired. With any luck he will sell off the 717,s due to the new economic uncertainty and right the ship before it is dragged under.

GK decided to merge with AT, and he didn't ask you your opinion. He saw the value, and has to pay for it. The deal given to the AT NC is a turd, and you know it's true.


OYS

 

[stalker]

Wow oys, you actually said something I agree with. This thing is a turd and I hope GK flushes it down the toilet!