How are TDY assignments handled at....

[dash8driver64]

How does your airline handle tdy at comair,awac,skywest,psa etc.

pay....min day?
per diem?
option to volenteer?
how is it assigned?
length of assignment.

This is a new thing at ASA and the company at least right now only wants to pay 24 hr per diem if we do not fly. They are assigning tdy just at random.

 

[SLUF4]

it's not new-they did it when we had LAX too. Not sure about the per diem thing, though.

 

[ASApuppy]

Not a new thing at all. I remember being TDY'd to DFW for 5 days on reserve. Never flew. Got paid 24 hour perdiem. Basically your their insurance policy. You will get the same paycheck as if you flew. Go, find out about getting around town, and enjoy all the museums.

 

[jstyle13]

Supposedly they are coming out with some language to calirify how its assigned and to whom as well as how all the pay/credits work out. I got to do 5 days of it recently. Was pretty awesome sitting in the hampton inn for 5 days. They also have the credits messed up. I only got 2 hours credit on the days I deadheaded and it has me messed up in the bucket now. Hopefully they will get it sorted out.

 

[OCP]

Doing it right now and it's still F'd up. Even got to do ready reserve! I don't really get how we don't get min day while we sit in a hotel. And like the above said, only shows 2 hrs credit. Yet has me dead heading 2 days. That at very least should be 3.75 for each day.

 

[dash8driver64]

I agree. S.H. actually told me that pilots are complaining to himm about us getting ANY credit if we are on tdy and do not fly. They are more than welcome to volunteer and enjoy their free room. Otherwise STFU.
If anyone thinks we should be there without min day credit is an idiot.

 

[sweptback]

You do get the min day. The contract is quite clear over it.

Did you talk to the chief pilots? Did you file a grievance fact sheet?

 

[USC328]

SkyWest gives you min daily guarantee (3.75 hrs) per day you are TDY'd and do not fly OR whatever you fly (DH, fly etc), whichever is greater. This goes towards breaking guarantee where as sitting in domicile waiting to get called equates to no credit toward breaking the 75 hr guarantee for the month.

 

[dash8driver64]

I talked with S.H. As of last night we DO NOT get min day. He told me they are trying to work something out but as of now we are not getting min day!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Supposedly there are complaints from other pilots that if they sit in atl and receive no min day then why should those on tdy get it.
I did not file a fact sheet yet. As of now there is no reason until SH decides which way to go.
Yes I talked with 2 chief pilots.

 

[dash8driver64]

USC 328 thank you. finally a relevant response to what I was asking.

 

[OCP]

You do get the min day. The contract is quite clear over it.

Did you talk to the chief pilots? Did you file a grievance fact sheet?

The contract is not at all clear on this topic. They TDY section has almost no guidance on this. I have talked to the union and they are supposed to be meeting with the company over this. What that means, I don't really know.

 

[OCP]

I take it back. Under compensation it is pretty black and white... Literally!

A reserve pilot will be paid and credited the greater of paragraphs (3)(a)
or (3)(b) below.
(a) Three (3) hours and forty-five (45) minutes of credit for each
calendar day of duty and/or calendar day away from domicile. This
provision will not apply to time spent in training (not including OE)
and CDOs; or
(b) Four (4) hours of credit for each ready reserve assignment.

 

[dash8driver64]

the company says its a domicle change and this doesnt apply. Been ther done that already.

Directly form SH

 

[OCP]

SkyWest gives you min daily guarantee (3.75 hrs) per day you are TDY'd and do not fly OR whatever you fly (DH, fly etc), whichever is greater. This goes towards breaking guarantee where as sitting in domicile waiting to get called equates to no credit toward breaking the 75 hr guarantee for the month.

Is your working agreement online somewhere? Our union would like to see that in writing that you get paid for that.

 

[OCP]

the company says its a domicle change and this doesnt apply. Been ther done that already.

Directly form SH

It seems like this is a VERY gray area that looks more and more like it favors the company. Yes it is a domicile change, so should I get my moving expenses? No it is only a temporary change... So I am away from domicile then? No you are in domicile. So I get my moving expenses right?... no..... etc.
Moving Expenses
1. The Company will pay moving expenses to a pilot who is:
a. Involuntarily displaced to another domicile;

 

[OCP]

D. Temporary Duty
1. A temporary duty (“TDY”) assignment is an assignment to a reserve pilot
of less than one (1) month duration at a domicile other than the pilot’s
permanent position. A pilot may indicate a preference for a voluntary
TDY assignment on his monthly bid form. The Company will consider
those preferences when making TDY assignments.
2. A pilot with a TDY assignment will be provided:
a. Per diem in accordance with Section 5.A.;
b. Lodging in accordance with Section 5.B.;
c. Transportation to and from a TDY assignment will be online positive
space.
3. A pilot can be assigned involuntary TDY only one (1) time per month,
unless waived by the pilot.

I don't remember seeing that TDY preference on our bid options do you? The big problem is compensation doesn't define permanent domicile, it just says away from domicile. So the company just says you are in a domicile.

 

[dash8driver64]

Hmmm interesting. That may help. I think all we want here is our min day (or a little more) plus per diem.

What saddens me is the fact that ASA would even consider not paying us. I was holding hope the company would not start sh!tting on the morale of those actually dong the work especially with a new carrier/base opening. S.H. J.A> B.H. should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[sweptback]

Hmmm interesting. That may help. I think all we want here is our min day (or a little more) plus per diem.

What saddens me is the fact that ASA would even consider not paying us. I was holding hope the company would not start sh!tting on the morale of those actually dong the work especially with a new carrier/base opening. S.H. J.A> B.H. should be ashamed of themselves.

The really sad thing is that it's not likely to be actually paid out. Most reserves are not breaking guarantee. It's simply for bucket ordering.

 

[OCP]

The really sad thing is that it's not likely to be actually paid out. Most reserves are not breaking guarantee. It's simply for bucket ordering.

Exactly!

 

[Jetpig]

When I was up there last week I emailed Tomlin and he said we get Min Day.

 

[dash8driver64]

I was over guarantee in FEB. In fact my whole tdy was over. Just one of the lucky ones I guess. Dont underestimate the bucket credits either. Its the only QOL we have.

SH said this afternoon that we are to be paid min day with full per diem. All pay will be credited retroactively. All future tdy assignments will be offered on a voluntary basis. So if ya want it ...........f'ing take it.

 

[Abernathy]

I was over guarantee in FEB. In fact my whole tdy was over. Just one of the lucky ones I guess. Dont underestimate the bucket credits either. Its the only QOL we have.

SH said this afternoon that we are to be paid min day with full per diem. All pay will be credited retroactively. All future tdy assignments will be offered on a voluntary basis. So if ya want it ...........f'ing take it.

Where did he say that? I didn't see an e-mail.

 

[OCP]

I was over guarantee in FEB. In fact my whole tdy was over. Just one of the lucky ones I guess. Dont underestimate the bucket credits either. Its the only QOL we have.

SH said this afternoon that we are to be paid min day with full per diem. All pay will be credited retroactively. All future tdy assignments will be offered on a voluntary basis. So if ya want it ...........f'ing take it.

I hope you are right but I just talked to CM from the union and he hadn't heard anything like that yet. Was going to meet with the company tomorrow or the next day to discuss all this mess.

 

[ASApuppy]

All reserves at ASA, or anywhere for that matter, are paid a guarantee of 75 hrs. They also get 11 days off. So for a typical month they are expected to be on-call for 20 days. 75 divided by 20 equals 3.75 hrs. Are any of you getting a check for less than 75 hrs each month? Are any of you getting less than min days off? Then, how can you draw the conclusion that you are not getting paid for your duty?

Seriously? While your sitting up there in DC, go visit the Holocaust Museum. It might just change your perspective.

 

[OCP]

All reserves at ASA, or anywhere for that matter, are paid a guarantee of 75 hrs. They also get 11 days off. So for a typical month they are expected to be on-call for 20 days. 75 divided by 20 equals 3.75 hrs. Are any of you getting a check for less than 75 hrs each month? Are any of you getting less than min days off? Then, how can you draw the conclusion that you are not getting paid for your duty?

Seriously? While your sitting up there in DC, go visit the Holocaust Museum. It might just change your perspective.

YOU are not getting it. We are NOT being credited with the 3.75 min day while up here. We are actually not even being credited with the min day on the deadhead days that we work. On reserve it is not all about money. Those credits move you around in the bucket and that is a HUGE thing to quality of life on reserve.
Oh BTW while we "sit here" in DC we still have a 2 hr call out to get to duty in and no transportation. So getting anywhere isn't much of an option.

 

[maxcackel]

All reserves at ASA, or anywhere for that matter, are paid a guarantee of 75 hrs. They also get 11 days off. So for a typical month they are expected to be on-call for 20 days. 75 divided by 20 equals 3.75 hrs. Are any of you getting a check for less than 75 hrs each month? Are any of you getting less than min days off? Then, how can you draw the conclusion that you are not getting paid for your duty?

Seriously? While your sitting up there in DC, go visit the Holocaust Museum. It might just change your perspective.

Clueless Moron, go back to your 90hr 3-day line and don't worry about those at the bottom fighting for scraps working 20 days a month for per diem.

 

[79%N1]

All reserves at ASA, or anywhere for that matter, are paid a guarantee of 75 hrs. They also get 11 days off. So for a typical month they are expected to be on-call for 20 days. 75 divided by 20 equals 3.75 hrs. Are any of you getting a check for less than 75 hrs each month? Are any of you getting less than min days off? Then, how can you draw the conclusion that you are not getting paid for your duty?

Seriously? While your sitting up there in DC, go visit the Holocaust Museum. It might just change your perspective.

Sorry. Not how it works! That logic only works if you don't fly at all for the month, yet get paid the 75 hrs.

By your logic, if I fly 10 hrs of block for the month, I would get paid 85 hrs for the month, since I was credited for those 3.75 hrs each day of reserve. But guess what, you dont. Ergo, you are not getting the 3.75 credit for every day of reserve. This is why a guy who is pulled out onto the road away from home to a hotel in DC feels he should be credited something for those days at work, away from home.

 

[OCP]

Just talked to CM, they have agreed to what was stated above.

 

[wms]

It's only a domicile change if it's for the whole month and then it's called a temporary position. That has to be put up for bid and those awarded them are given the opportunity to bid for lines in the temporary domicile.

A TDY is for less than one month and per diem is paid per sec 5A and the pilot can only be assigned a TDY one time per month.

It's all in sec 24. Whether the company will comply is a different story. Just like not paying the full 4.0 or per diem for IAD pilots attending new base training in ATL.

 

[Redan]

All reserves at ASA, or anywhere for that matter, are paid a guarantee of 75 hrs. They also get 11 days off. So for a typical month they are expected to be on-call for 20 days. 75 divided by 20 equals 3.75 hrs. Are any of you getting a check for less than 75 hrs each month? Are any of you getting less than min days off? Then, how can you draw the conclusion that you are not getting paid for your duty?

Seriously? While your sitting up there in DC, go visit the Holocaust Museum. It might just change your perspective.

It's always so nice to see these sort of comments from folks typically with but a fraction of the time I've done on reserve...if any at all.

It would have been great to have gone to a museum (or do anything at all including seeing local relatives) while "sitting" here for six days in IAD. Got my first trip but moments after stepping off the deadhead flight. Just finished my second day in a row of ready reserve. Scheduling wouldn't release me a few minutes early even though there was no RR FO or FA on duty, and all remaining flights tonight are naps which I couldn't do anyway. Several other "TDY" crew I've flown with or met here were short called for the five or six day IAD stint. For tomorrow, day six, only if four legs go flawlessly will I make my deadhead back, the last flight of the night to ATL. So far here nothing has gone remotely close to flawlessly.

For reserve pilots, credit means many things but rarely is a factor pay-wise. The proper credit is still not showing on my eTrip even for the deadheads. This will be a major factor for my position in the bucket list for the balance of the month, not for pay. I haven't gone overblock on reserve since early 2008.