How accurate is airlinepilotpay.com???

[pppilot]

How accurate are the payscales on www.airlinepilotpay.com ?

Concerning the upgrade from FO to CPT how do the years for pay work? Do you start at year 1 pay when you upgrade(according to these payscales)? Or does it work like the military and is based on years in service?
Example: If you are a 5 year Air Wisconsin CRJ FO making $36/hour and you upgrade to CRJ captain, do you receive captain year 1 pay at $53/hour or year 5 pay at $60/hour?

If the way it works varies company to company, can you please say how it works for your company!

Thank you
pp

 

[Dave Benjamin]

At most US carriers the longevity pay is based on time with the company not time in the seat. So in your example the AirWisc FO that upgrades after 5 years will collect 5 year captain pay.

 

[capt. megadeth]

^ Unless you work at USA 3000

 

[Dave Benjamin]

^ Unless you work at USA 3000

Like I said, at most US carriers......

I figured there had to be an exception out there.

 

[othello]

If they don't it is most likely a scum-bag outfit or at least one with a dirtbag managment team, and no union. I would bet all alpa carriers are longevity.

With all of the upgrades/downgrades seatlock's that are out there longevity is the only way. Some places a 6yr fo going back to 1st yr capt would get such a small raise I.E. (6 yr Horizon CRJ FO45$ moving to Dash200 1st yr Captn48$) No one would take the upgrade. Who would take a 3$ pay raise to sit reserve with 11 days off and have no weekends or holidays off? Verses a seinor Fo with a good schedule.

 

[Snoopy58]

The problem with the website isn't necessarily with the raw data, but with the conclusions to be drawn from it... the website doesn't show PAY at all, but pay RATES. But rates don't pay the mortgage or the rent or the credit card bills, nor do they help you to qualify for the home or car loan that you want... takehome pay is what does all of that, and the website doesn't show what anybody's takehome pay really is. What point is there in comparing 5th year 777 FO pay rates at American vs Delta when neither place has 777 FO's with anything like 5 years of seniority? A lot of the boxes in the charts should be blank if there aren't pilots there actually making that pay rate. But that takes a lot more work than just posting charts from contracts.

A far better comparison would be average monthly takehome pay for a pilot with 1, 2, 3, etc years with each airline, and perhaps some range with notes showing things like the high end is whatever seat on X airplane with minimal seniority working __ days permonth, with the low end being on Y airplane with whatever seniority working __ days, etc.

 

[BAe3100FO]

Nor do they show work rules, trip and duty rigs...(which is where you make your $$$) Or the added raises throughout the duration of the contract.

It's just a rough idea of a companies dollar/per flight hour pay.

PS... does the airline pay you while in training? Put you up in a SINGLE occupancy hotel, or do you have to bunk-up or even worse...pay for it out of pocket? Things to consider when factoring the first year W-2

 

[BoilerUP]

All things considered, 767-300ER (i think thats his name) has a pretty nice website. While trip and duty rigs, deadhead pay, junior manning, etc would be nice to have on there, very few people outside of airline pilots whould know WTF all that stuff meant.

It would be nice, however, to prove that making an extra $1-2/hr doesn't mean a whole lot if the other stuff is lacking.

Thanks for the hard work on the site!

 

[BAe3100FO]

I agree....more work than I'm willing to do!

 

[767-300ER]

Hourly rates are definitely not the whole story.

For W2 comparisons and work rules info, Kit Darby's AIR Inc puts out a nice Salary Survey every year. He figures what avg. pay is per month at the carriers. Cost is $40.

I will work on getting the rigs onto the pages after I roll out a new www.airlinepilotpay.com next year.

 

[DetoXJ]

You really have to take the hourly rate with a large grain of salt. Comparing just the hourly rate, XJ's contract I would say is in the "above average" range, but when you take our contracts ability for W-2 earnings I'll put it amongst the top. Projecting throught december I have averaged 71 block hours per month for 2004 whilst I have averaged 105 credit hours per month for the year.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Projecting throught december I have averaged 71 block hours per month for 2004 whilst I have averaged 105 credit hours per month for the year.

Wow, that is a lot of "soft" time you're getting paid for. Either you're flying slow to be over block or you found a good way to work the system.

 

[DetoXJ]

Premo Pay Baby! Gotta give up a couple days off per month but thats where the $$ is.

 

[English]

767-300ER deserves numerous accolades and thanks for putting out the website, and updating it so frequently. It's a great resource.


THANK YOU!!!!