Horizon Question

[On Belay]

I sent a resume to Horizon a month ago and haven't heard back. Although thier website indicates a ME minimum of 100 hours, I've heard they actually require more (I've got just over 100 ME). Any insight into what Horizon's competetive mins are and how long most folks wait for an interview?

Thanks

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

Do a search ...there has been a lot of info posted lately, and word is that they are gonna continue classes through the summer. If you can get someone to walk it in for you that is the best (of course). Good luck.

 

[NWaviator]

The info that I am getting is; they are very interested in the Mesaba furloughs. The mins are published as 100/1000 but I don't have any evidence that they are hiring people at those mins. Good luck.

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

The info that I am getting is; they are very interested in the Mesaba furloughs. The mins are published as 100/1000 but I don't have any evidence that they are hiring people at those mins. Good luck.

They will hire with less time than that...(UNDies and CWU folks) or ..if you know


THE SECRET HANDSHAKE

 

[NWaviator]

Yeah that helps a lot. I got my stuff in jan 10 and haven't heard anything yet. CWU grad/ internship so hopefully things come together next week. All I can do is hope.

 

[ReverseSensing]

They will hire with less time than that...(UNDies and CWU folks) or ..if you know


THE SECRET HANDSHAKE

Word to the wise: be sure to wash your hands thoroughly after engaging in THE SECRET HANDSHAKE. Lather, rinse, repeat. Stop the spread!

 

[mrnolmts]

It seems the general consensus is that if you are to have any chance at getting an interview, you need to either:
- Have a friend walk your resume in for you, or
- Walk it in and hand-deliver it yourself, or
- Figure out when they are holding interviews, and just "happen" to show up, resume in hand, on that day. I know of several who have gotten interviews "on the spot".
Any combination of the above might work even better! Good luck to ya!

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Im not sure what the magic code for getting a horizon interview is. I got over 2200 and 600 multi, I applied twice and never heard a word in over 3 months. They were my first pick but you can only hold out so long before you have to look elsewhere.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Im not sure what the magic code for getting a horizon interview is. I got over 2200 and 600 multi, I applied twice and never heard a word in over 3 months. They were my first pick but you can only hold out so long before you have to look elsewhere.

That's too bad. It does seem that, by and large, you either have to be in the UND/Central pipeline or, if off the street, know someone who can bring your stuff to the surface in flight ops. It is no doubt frustrating, and apparently success is quite random, if you don't have one of these two ins.

For a $100, I could be your new "old, best flying buddy."

 

[On Belay]

Thanks for the info. Sounds like I'm not alone. If anyone with Horizon wants a new friend, let me know. I'm good for a bottle of your favorite

 

[Herman]

I know lots of people, who have interviewed and got the job without having their resumes walked in. Most of them flew freight in the NW. Military time is also not a bad thing to have. There were no UND people in the last couple classes as far as I know, but I think they were just conducting interviews down there the last week.

 

[taloft]

To put things in perspective, I know of one person that applied steadily for two years after meeting the street minimums while working other flying jobs before getting an interview. You either have to know someone inside, attend UND/CWU, or be really really patient. You'll need patience anyway, as upgrades are at 6 years now and it's 5+ years just to draw jet FO pay.

If you're giving up after 2 weeks or even 3 months, you really don't want to work there bad enough. Consider it part of the screening process.

 

[QXpeon]

Whatever times you have people, you better have a four year degree.

That's right. Hot off the presses from the CP's office, a four year degree is now mandatory for getting a job with Horizon. The website says "strong preference" but we all know what that means.

Now, not only do you have to deal with a six year upgrade, (as if you didn't have enough to worry about) you have to have the sheepskin in your pocket as well.

They claim that they’ll get better quality applicants. Go figure.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Whatever times you have people, you better have a four year degree.

That's right. Hot off the presses from the CP's office, a four year degree is now mandatory for getting a job with Horizon. The website says "strong preference" but we all know what that means.

Now, not only do you have to deal with a six year upgrade, (as if you didn't have enough to worry about) you have to have the sheepskin in your pocket as well.

They claim that they’ll get better quality applicants. Go figure.

Did you just come back from RGS or CRM? This sounds like one of those rumor-mill speed testing nuggets from the training department. I thought I had my finger on the pulse of the crazy-ass rumor mill, and I hadn't heard this one.

A couple of months ago, everyone was saying there weren't enough applicants, now we're requiring a 4-year degree? What's that gonna solve besides potentially weeding out otherwise good pilots, with good, practical experience (but sans BS/BA), in favor of 1000/100 wonders with an Aerospace degree? (I really have nothing against UNDies.)

Sometimes it seems like we primarily hire people with some life experience and personality that we'd want to be on 4-days with; and sometimes it seems like we hire recently graduated aviation geniuses (that have never done anything outside a sterile flight training environment) that our training department loves because they can fly the piss out of the simulator.

P.S. Here's some other doozies I've heard lately: Lamar is going back to flying the line; and maybe instead of the temporary shrinking of Seattle lines announced yesterday, we'll eventually shrink 200 lines in PDX

 

[NWaviator]

There was a guy who interviewed over a month ago. He flew cargo, instructed and has a 2 year degree. After going through the interview they said, "thanks but no thanks." HE stated this was because they told him to come back when he had a 4 year degree. Interesting.

 

[chud66]

I know a guy who has two 2 year degrees and has been trying to get an interview for some time now, but has had no success. He has even gone down to Horizon HQ dropped of a resume and met with some HR people and an assistant chief. He was told that he could expect a call for an interview but it has never happened.

I have also heard the 4 year degree rumor.

I guess 2+2 doesn't =4

 

[QXpeon]

This isn't permanent folks. Whatever the number of applicants they had before they can expect it to drop by half. Probably more. Once that happens and we become even more pressed to fill positions than we are right now, (that's why they dropped the mins to 1000/100) they'll get rid of it.

I don't know if they want to scare people off or what but they will succeed. I look at it like this, If they thought that no one wanted to work here before, I think that they're in for a surprise. If we're still desperate for pilots come negotiation time, it'll puts us in a good position and they'll have to put in some kind of incentive to attract pilots.

Supply and demand.

 

[NWaviator]

With Lamar going back to the line is he still going to be the chief pilot? Does anyone have an opinion what will happen to the QX pilot negotiation time? Hopefully not the same thing that happened to AS.

 

[QXpeon]

Maybe you just got here but AS took it up the a$$ because they had a "mandatory arbitration" clause in their contract. Meaning, that if no party reached an agreement by a specified time, then the matter would go to a neutral arbitrator. That neutral arbitrator turned out to favor the company (because he was paid off somehow? We'll never know most likely) on a lot of things, mainly pay. We QX pilots do not have that clause in our contract. We can negoiate until the cows come home. We do not have to accept arbitration if it's offered as it states in the railway labor act. Check the on your horizon site. Here’s what Jeff has to say:

“Our folks can rightly take great satisfaction in the fact that their hard work really paid off," said Jeff Pinneo, president and CEO. "By working together, we've been able to post four consecutive years of improvement – during an unprecedented period of industry turmoil."

Do you think that we're taking a paycut in the realm of 30%? With profits being made, multiple airframes on order on top of being so short on pilots to the point where the company can't find any pilots to come work here due to no attrition and a six-year upgrade? You think that we're going to get reamed after the mechanics, dispatchers just ratified their contracts, and they got no paycuts? (No hefty raise either but the point is no 30% cut for them so they sure as he!! ain't getting it out of us) I think not.

If management wants to start cutting back salaries, they need to start at the ops center in Portland. A list of some jobs & departments (straight from the phonebook) that are unnecessary include....


Pilot Payroll (Yes a completely separate payroll dept. in PDX just for pilots. I always ask, why can't payroll in SEA do that job??)
Inflight Payroll Analyst (F/A payroll dept. see above)
Pilot Special Project (You need to hold this job for 2 years before you get to be a ACP)
Special Projects (???)
Inflight Coordinator (Coordinating what I don't know. Whatever it is, make a "manager" do it)
Lost Duty Desk (I don't even know what the he!! this is)
5 (Yes five) chief pilots in PDX alone
Leave & Disability Administrator (HR can do this)
Training Records Coordinator (I count at least 6 desks in that office which can be cut back to at least 4)
Specialist/ Flt Ops (Specialist for what exactly?)
Safety & Health Coordinator (HR can do this too)
Asst to Director of Trng. (If we’re so strapped for cash like mgmt claims then he can do his own work)
Pass Bureau in PDX (Ask any QX pilot about the quality of service)
Leading edge in color now??? How the he!! can color be less expensive than B&W???
Painting nacelles and arm rests on the 200 and 400? The first (mis)leading edge in color said that it'll cost more than a million dollars. Yet Jeffery says that we need to tighten our belts. Right.
And this list goes on and on and on......

I ain't taking a paycut spike.....

 

[ratherbeflyen]

To put things in perspective, I know of one person that applied steadily for two years after meeting the street minimums while working other flying jobs before getting an interview. You either have to know someone inside, attend UND/CWU, or be really really patient. You'll need patience anyway, as upgrades are at 6 years now and it's 5+ years just to draw jet FO pay.

If you're giving up after 2 weeks or even 3 months, you really don't want to work there bad enough. Consider it part of the screening process.

Part of the screening process? I guess you could look at it that way.

I look at it like this. I sent 5 resumes out and got 4 interview offers off the first resume. I sent horizon another resume after being offered a couple of class dates, and they still didn't respond. I did then, and now, think QX would be the best place to work for me, but if I have to choose between a sure job and "maybe in two years to get an interview," I'm taking the job. I did the 135 cargo dog 6 days a week for 9 months and that QOL isn't for me, much less for the next two years. What are you supposed to do untill they call? If XJT dumps me next year I'll try QX again, O wait wont I have another year to wait?

 

[machaf]

Part of the screening process? I guess you could look at it that way.

I look at it like this. I sent 5 resumes out and got 4 interview offers off the first resume. I sent horizon another resume after being offered a couple of class dates, and they still didn't respond. I did then, and now, think QX would be the best place to work for me, but if I have to choose between a sure job and "maybe in two years to get an interview," I'm taking the job. I did the 135 cargo dog 6 days a week for 9 months and that QOL isn't for me, much less for the next two years. What are you supposed to do untill they call? If XJT dumps me next year I'll try QX again, O wait wont I have another year to wait?

They just interviewed 27 people. On the first day 6 of the 9 got hired on the first day. I know atleast one person who got hired on the second day.

My sister just talked with a QX Check Airmen, he said they are getting more planes and will be hiring through out the year.

 

[mrnolmts]

Pass Bureau in PDX (Ask any QX pilot about the quality of service)

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