Horizon Air upgrade now 10 years

[regionaltard]

Land of the Lost used to scare the crap out of my as a kid. The Sleestacks were the worst. :bawling:

They used to have dude named Spike there that made a Sleestack look like Barney the Dinosaur.

 

[flythere]

Ouch, thanks age 65 rule....5 year upgrades weren't bad enough.

Well,

You wanted the great QOL and high pay right off the bat! Well, you got it! You knew going in there upgrades were going to be slow!

Hell, I knew that, that's why I declined the interview, I would still be sitting in the right seat if I would have taken the offer. And that was in 2002. I took it in the shorts went to a smaller regional for a couple of years and made it out in a little over three years!!

I'll get you some cheese to go with you whine!!

 

[M-crit]

Well,

You wanted the great QOL and high pay right off the bat! Well, you got it! You knew going in there upgrades were going to be slow!

Hell, I knew that, that's why I declined the interview, I would still be sitting in the right seat if I would have taken the offer. And that was in 2002. I took it in the shorts went to a smaller regional for a couple of years and made it out in a little over three years!!

I'll get you some cheese to go with you whine!!

Yes, but back then you HAD to have 1000 pic turbine to move on. Now, you just need to have your ATP or only the ATP written (perhaps not even that) to go to a major or fractional. A 4-5000 hr FO at horizon has nearly as many options as those with PIC turbine time and even flow to AS.

 

[Prog 2/2]

Okay this is again for you idiots, yes, I have gone down the road of name calling, that you are an idiot to think you are entitled to see someone forced to retire early than whats right, because a lot of pilots had to face that WRONG in the past. Oh have you thought of what you will do when you are 60? Now you will have the option to cont working, or retire! Wow what a concept! If the rule was not changed, guess what? No health care. No income at a time when you should be earning the most. Guess what? Some employers do not think flying airplanes amounts to much, so you better have some well connected Corportate pilots to get you a job your last five years of your career.

Enough said......those of you who do not like this rule, guess what, when you turn 60, stand by your current attitudes and quit at 60, so the seniority list moves faster for the guys below you.

Lot's of "guess what's" there, sparky.

You knew the mandatory retirement age was 60 when you started.

You had exactly the same opportunity as everyone else to secure your retirement future during your working career.

You probably faced a few setbacks, maybe made a couple of bad choices, maybe got a few good breaks; exactly the same as everyone else.

Now you want to change the rules to suit you and stagnate everyone on the seniority list below you, denying them anything like the career progression you may have enjoyed, just so you can stay on the gravy train a little longer.

And, BTW, I think that those who believe that the sense of entitlement is anywhere but at the top of the list are, well, idiots.

Thanks for another five years at FO pay.

 

[MALSR]

Lot's of "guess what's" there, sparky.

You knew the mandatory retirement age was 60 when you started.

You had exactly the same opportunity as everyone else to secure your retirement future during your working career.

You probably faced a few setbacks, maybe made a couple of bad choices, maybe got a few good breaks; exactly the same as everyone else.

Now you want to change the rules to suit you and stagnate everyone on the seniority list below you, denying them anything like the career progression you may have enjoyed, just so you can stay on the gravy train a little longer.

And, BTW, I think that those who believe that the sense of entitlement is anywhere but at the top of the list are, well, idiots.

Thanks for another five years at FO pay.

Well said^

 

[coolyokeluke]

Lot's of "guess what's" there, sparky.

You knew the mandatory retirement age was 60 when you started.

You had exactly the same opportunity as everyone else to secure your retirement future during your working career.

You probably faced a few setbacks, maybe made a couple of bad choices, maybe got a few good breaks; exactly the same as everyone else.

Now you want to change the rules to suit you and stagnate everyone on the seniority list below you, denying them anything like the career progression you may have enjoyed, just so you can stay on the gravy train a little longer.

And, BTW, I think that those who believe that the sense of entitlement is anywhere but at the top of the list are, well, idiots.

Thanks for another five years at FO pay.

I agree, a well written post. The age 65 rule is in place and it's just best to accept it and move on. But I DO NOT want to put up with old guys telling me that age 60 wasn't fair when they benefitted from it their entire careers and now stagnated the careers of the younger pilots behind them.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

I agree, a well written post. The age 65 rule is in place and it's just best to accept it and move on. But I DO NOT want to put up with old guys telling me that age 60 wasn't fair when they benefitted from it their entire careers and now stagnated the careers of the younger pilots behind them.

As soon as "who got over on whom" enters the discussion any ability to talk rationally about fairness as it relates to 60/65 goes right out the window. At its most basic level, the fact that people in that 5 year window arguably benefit from the change doesn't alter the fact that it is and has been fundamentally unfair to force someone to stop working without a compelling reason to do so. I'm assuming that everyone has at least a basic understanding of how Age 60 came to be in the first place, which makes me wonder why pilots seem to think that management subverting the political process in order to rid itself of its highest paid pilots was ever a good thing in the first place.

Age 65 will be a wash for me if I choose to stick around that long. I'm planning to be out before 60, which makes the whole spectacle of puppy farm grads bitching about seasoned pros sitting in "their" seats is incomprehensible to me.

 

[check6]

There's 15, not 8. Applicants to Horizon beware!

You're right, I read on the website it's 14. I just pulled 8 right out of the sky.

 

[ERJFO]

Enough said......those of you who do not like this rule, guess what, when you turn 60, stand by your current attitudes and quit at 60, so the seniority list moves faster for the guys below you.

I'll be out at 55... Everyone below me, you're welcome. XJHawk - Blow me.

 

[M-crit]

Lot's of "guess what's" there, sparky.

You knew the mandatory retirement age was 60 when you started.

You had exactly the same opportunity as everyone else to secure your retirement future during your working career.

You probably faced a few setbacks, maybe made a couple of bad choices, maybe got a few good breaks; exactly the same as everyone else.

Now you want to change the rules to suit you and stagnate everyone on the seniority list below you, denying them anything like the career progression you may have enjoyed, just so you can stay on the gravy train a little longer.

And, BTW, I think that those who believe that the sense of entitlement is anywhere but at the top of the list are, well, idiots.

Thanks for another five years at FO pay.

Along with that is a Captain I just flew with who says that he's been at Horizon for 18 years, he's 41 years old and is too old to go somewhere else. Are you kidding me! Pull up your panties. You have 24 years to go, way more than the total amount of years you've been at Horizon. Get a life and and move on before the decision is made for you some day.

 

[hindsight2020]

Perhaps, but at some point in your life you have to decide to stop working today for a hamburger two weeks from now. Maybe said Captain doesn't want to work until 65 and looks at 55 like a more sensible retirement age. By that math and at his age it most certainly doesn't make any sense to forego his seniority, current pay (not projected pay coulda shoulda woulda if he moved on) and schedule (QOL) for new-hire pay/schedule anywhere.

Just because you could work until 65 doesn't mean one should want to. Yet people continue to starve just to chase that carrot in this industry....