Horizon Air is somthing else

[N1FuelFlow]

OK Southbound, when I first posted the rumor of Horizon and the college degree issue I wasn't trying to start a fight. It was more or less to state that the company will pass up many qualified individuals who may or may not be currently enrolled in college, and just because they don't have a degree or are not finished with their degree doesn't meen they are unqualified. Horizon is a good company they must treat their pilots well for having such a senior group.
As for your high English and grammar standard for flightinfo, even you the English master was called out by freightpup for misspelling (UNDERSTAND). To be honest with you I don't review my posts, its a DISCUSSION BOARD not an ENGLISH GRAMMAR BOARD. So why don't you start posting with the english teachers on a different forum and stop trying to put down your fellow pilots on this board. Feel free to edit my post again because I didn't check the spelling and grammar, that is what knowitalls like you are for.
And Southbound I invite you to come out to ORD with the big boys in your weed wacker and I will buy you coffee. You can even ride in my jumpseat on my south american pile of $hit, and you can tell me how much better life is on your dash. Regards- your pilot brother from another mother!

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

I heard a rumor the other day that the interview geniuses at Horizon will no longer hire pilots without a 4 year degree? I can see the major airlines being picky about a degree but HORIZON! They are a freaking regional with an upgrade of 7 years! I guess thats about how long it takes for their low time UND new hires to meet the ATP minimums. They will pass up quite a few experienced pilots with this new rule. Do any of the Horizon pilots on this board have any input? -Regards

Looks like someone only has a GED (Good Enough Degree)!

 

[The Drizzle]

South American jet for South American wages

i smell a new bag sticker

 

[Southbound]

OK Southbound, when I first posted the rumor of Horizon and the college degree issue I wasn't trying to start a fight. It was more or less to state that the company will pass up many qualified individuals who may or may not be currently enrolled in college, and just because they don't have a degree or are not finished with their degree doesn't meen they are unqualified. Horizon is a good company they must treat their pilots well for having such a senior group.
As for your high English and grammar standard for flightinfo, even you the English master was called out by freightpup for misspelling (UNDERSTAND). To be honest with you I don't review my posts, its a DISCUSSION BOARD not an ENGLISH GRAMMAR BOARD. So why don't you start posting with the english teachers on a different forum and stop trying to put down your fellow pilots on this board. Feel free to edit my post again because I didn't check the spelling and grammar, that is what knowitalls like you are for.
And Southbound I invite you to come out to ORD with the big boys in your weed wacker and I will buy you coffee. You can even ride in my jumpseat on my south american pile of $hit, and you can tell me how much better life is on your dash. Regards- your pilot brother from another mother!

This reminds me of the saying about never wrestle in the mud with a pig because the pig will enjoy it. I am no English master, can't spell without spell check. Was just calling you on your random post about something you know nothing about, the definition of 'knowitalls'.
I've been to ORD (though not in the Canadian version of the Lancaster Bomber aka DHC8) and I think taxiing around all that European/American made iron has gone to your head. You too are invited to head west to clear your mind, and I'll take you wherever you want to go. I'll even buy the beer, (the only thing I have a degree in).

 

[KCPilot]

Anyone have an idea when the next interview dates are? I'm still waiting for the call if it ever comes!

 

[platinumclub]

I think it is up to us to get this profession to the levels the public views it as and to the level we think it should be at. IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED!. We are professionals (or at least supposed to be). I had a med student tell me yesterday they thought this was more prestigious than what they were doing, and that really means something, lets fight and get it back to that level!

 

[PC12Cowboy]

It is sad when a person relies on a piece of paper..even though they spent the four or five years, stoned out of thier minds. I just love listening to PROFESSIONALS talking after winning the big game. They do open their mouths and confirm the stupidity factor.
It would seem that we need to be concerned with the safety of flight issues, and ways in which we can provide better service. If we pull up the boot straps and ourselves out of the gutters, than a degree will not be a deciding factor..it wil be the individual and his/her skill at doing what we love.
Peace!

BTW..I can remember when QX was accepting and hiring at 600/50 and 50 inst, not to long ago

 

[ReverseSensing]

It is sad when a person relies on a piece of paper..even though they spent the four or five years, stoned out of thier minds. I just love listening to PROFESSIONALS talking after winning the big game. They do open their mouths and confirm the stupidity factor.

I'm not a big fan of the 4-year degree bias at QX. I think there are plenty of well-qualified folks out there with 2-year degrees or less that QX ought to take a look at.

Having said that though, your post is pretty insulting to those of us who don't view earning a degree as winning anything. Also, I bet there are at least a handful of college graduates who didn't spend our college years stoned out of our minds. Like many other folks, I spent mine working full-time, paying a mortgage, and supporting a family.

Critical thinking is one thing that can be developed in college (and life without college for that matter). Statements like yours, apparently not made in jest, are a good example of why college is important for some people.

 

[silver02ex]

I spoke with my old CFI who has been with Horizon for 5 years, 2 days ago. He said that 75% of the new hire is a UND grad. He didn't say how many hours they had or that a 4 year degree is required. I plan on having him walk my resume in early June.

 

[JetSpeed219]

A 4 year degree is not required people so quite arguing over it. They want at least a 2 year degree and a 4 year is strongly desired, that's it plain and simple.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

My buddy who is pretty high time compared to regional standards got turned down by them because he didn't have his degree. Methinks they like low timers with degrees so that when management comes knocking for concessions someday, they will be more apt to bend over and take it than someone with enough hours and contacts to say F- you and go somewhere else at the drop of a hat.

Why would they interview someone that didn't meet their standards? Somehow I doubt your buddy got shot down for lack of a degree. Rarely wil an interviewer tell you why you didn't get a job. If they won't hire people without a degree then they probably won't interview them iether. Why waste time?

 

[taloft]

Don't ask for the minimums to be lower. Ask more from yourself to meet them.

 

[FlyBunny]

fascinating...

Southbound, you must be a UND grad who can edit english papers but doesn't have clue in the flight deck.

Ahhh...hhhummmm....Horizon Chief Pilot, LaMaar Haugard is a UND grad...and I think you must now chew your words (and thanks for sharing your complete ingnorance)...although with the amount of 'shame' you have so far projected, I bet you will try to come up with another sarcastic comment...

so, you think LaMaar became a Chief Pilot without having a clue in the flight deck?

I'd be very happy to share incredibly stupid things Part 61 and other 'mom & pop' school graduates have done even when they made it as airline captains...just read some of my posts and you'd find out that none of those were UND grads...not that UND grads are not susceptible to lapse of judgments, but to single out UND grads as clueless...you do need some education from a four-year college like UND....

Safe Flying,

Bunny

 

[unwashed]

The arrogance that some of the UND grads have expressed is juvenile. While "cutting their teeth" with highly motivated and punctual students has been tough, flying single pilot at night over the hills puts a different edge on a pilot. Degrees don't make or break the pilot, but are a filter that many airlines use. Horizon is one of the few airlines offering employment and stability. We can choose to not choose pilots based upon any number of stupid reasons, for the reason just mentioned. As the gentlemen just mention don't asked for the minimums to be lowered, meet the Min's.

 

[N1FuelFlow]

why am I under fire for posting a rumor?

This reminds me of the saying about never wrestle in the mud with a pig because the pig will enjoy it. I am no English master, can't spell without spell check. Was just calling you on your random post about something you know nothing about, .

If I knew everything that went on at Horizon I wouldn't post here asking the pilots for their input. Keep up the good work Southbound your making me stronger. My last day in the gym your stupid comments helped me push up my last rep of 315. Just keep the smart a$$ remarks up. Regards

Fly Bunny? What a gay name

 

[FlyinScotsman]

Not that is of any concern to those of you who want to argue about this, but Horizon does not require a 4 year degree, just a 2 year. As previously stated.

But please don't listen to me or the others.


Please continue...........

 

[JetSpeed219]

Not that is of any concern to those of you who want to argue about this, but Horizon does not require a 4 year degree, just a 2 year. As previously stated.

But please don't listen to me or the others.


Please continue...........

I know! It's funny how they just kind of ignore the posts and continue on with their antics........

 

[CKS747RCC]

. Do any of the Horizon pilots on this board have any input? -Regards

I'm not a Horizon pilot but I play one on TV....actually I have a friend that works there. He said the Chief Pilot decided to only accept resume's from applicant's with 4 year degrees because they were getting so many applicants.

 

[turbodriver]

When you guys go into negotiations, be sure to tell them that since they want a higher standard of a pilot that has a sheepskin in his pocket, you're worth more cash.

 

[DoubleDown]

My buddy who is pretty high time compared to regional standards got turned down by them because he didn't have his degree. Methinks they like low timers with degrees so that when management comes knocking for concessions someday, they will be more apt to bend over and take it than someone with enough hours and contacts to say F- you and go somewhere else at the drop of a hat.

Where else are you going to go without a degree? I would say that they would have a lot more people with less to lose because they could get a job in a different industry. Remember that UND is an accredited college, and you get a business degree with your commercial aviation degree. So good luck with all your flight time, but I don't think your ability to say "would you like fries with that?" will do too much at the bargaining table.

 

[Herman]

There are many professions which require a degree to accelerate.
- You can be a banker, but a banker with a degree can advance to a higher level in the hierarchy
- You can work in accounting, but a degree will give you more opportunity to accelerate in your field
- If you are a teacher, the higher your degree, the more opportunities you have to choose jobs and advance to positions higher up the food chain
- When working in the medical field, the level of your degree dictates your opportunities to advance and pick and choose the jobs you like

Why should aviation or being a “Pilot” be any different then any other profession? I got brought up in an environment that made me believe, that a college education is worth more then just a piece of paper, no matter what your degree is in. A college grad showed devotion by studying for 4 years while his buddies were earning money, hoping one day it will pay off. He received a well rounded education which can be applied in different ways instead of learning a single sided view of one profession. More so, a college grad should have learned to think critically, and have a basic, educated knowledge in more then one area of expertise.

I am sure, that by disregarding candidates without a degree, a company neglects well qualified, capable and good people. On the other hand, you will still get candidates who are qualified, capable and good guys but also educated on top of all.
A candidate who gets hired usually has the whole package deal (at picky companies like Horizon at least), a degree on top of that only makes the pilot group as a whole stronger.