Hopefully the beginning of the end 4 skybus

[Stifler's Mom]

They couldn't figure out that the long flights wouldn't produce more revenue then a couple short flights. Must be top notch management over there.

What's next? Selling seats for $10-50 no matter the frequency at $80/barrel won't cut it either? Imagine that.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Starting a cheap low cost airline that has reduced employee pay is what Southwest was born from......and look where they are now.

One doesn't have to be an aviation historian to realize that a LCC's success is a one-in-a-hundred occurance.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Hey I'm sure we could find you a picket line to cross.....

Lucky 14.

 

[siucavflight]

Who makes more Go-Jets or SkyBus?

It is close but I think Go-Jets does.

 

[temcgrew]

Starting a cheap low cost airline that has reduced employee pay is what Southwest was born from......and look where they are now.

Everyone likes to compare the two, but I think there was more to offer in the "golden triangle" of Dallas LUV, and where ever the other two places were than Columbus. Plus, did Southwest start up with brand new airplanes? I think they used the old -200 series that they picked up used, more on the lines with what Allegiant is doing now but different.

 

[flyboyzii]

Plus, did Southwest start up with brand new airplanes? I think they used the old -200 series that they picked up used

This may be old folk loar (sp) but I heard that Cliff used to steal parts off of Delta 737 at night to keep the fleet running. Is that true? Either way...pretty humorous.

 

[dooork]

My only point was that they are just starting and trying a differant model. If it works and then they increase the pay of the employees it would be just like SW. If SW was just starting today you would complain....but now alot want to work for them.

 

[Pilot124]

Why can't those 2 pond scums merge to form the new GO-BUS AIRLINES. With non stop service from CMH to TOL.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

WHAT? Columbus, OH no longer has direct service to San Diego and Washington State? The horror! Why Columbus is the biggest, most importantest city in the Midwest. Just ask any Ohio State fan! Hopefully the Buckeyes won't be in the rose bowl this year, because with no direct service from Columbus, how will they ever get to the west coast?

UAL??

 

[John Pennekamp]

UAL??

Did you miss the sarcasm?

 

[Daytonaflyer]

I'm not judging Skybus one way or another, but does anybody know what Skybus captains get paid for years 2-10? Is it significantly higher like most airlines or just a small increase?

It looks like $65,000 is more than Spirit, ATA, and Sun Country guarantee their captains on comparable equipment (B737 or A319+) for the first year.

Skybus 1st year A319 CA =$65,000
Spirit 1st year A319 CA =$56,160, A321 CA =$61,344
ATA 1st year 737 CA =$34,200
Sun Country 1st year 737 CA =$26,040, 2nd year 737 CA =$64,680

It's also higher than the regionals.
I know pay should be higher, but it seems their first year pay is not unusually low for smaller airlines in the industry these days.

 

[PCL_128]

It looks like $65,000 is more than Spirit, ATA, and Sun Country guarantee their captains on comparable equipment (B737 or A319+) for the first year.

Skybus 1st year A319 CA =$65,000
Spirit 1st year A319 CA =$56,160, A321 CA =$61,344
ATA 1st year 737 CA =$34,200
Sun Country 1st year 737 CA =$26,040, 2nd year 737 CA =$64,680

It's also higher than the regionals.
I know pay should be higher, but it seems their first year pay is not unusually low for smaller airlines in the industry these days.

That's only because none of those airlines actually have first year Captains, and they never will. ATA, Sun Country, and Spirit are all ALPA carriers, and ALPA doesn't waste negotiating capital on negotiating for something that will never be a concern. At Skybus, first year Captains are a reality, and they probably will be for some time. I've also heard that second year and on only goes up about 3 percent each year, so it doesn't get much better.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

I see your point, but all new airlines have first year captains; they have to. If the Skybus pay really only increases by 3% annually, then that is really lousy. I'd be interested in seeing what the actual pay scale is for years 2+.

 

[PCL_128]

I see your point, but all new airlines have first year captains; they have to.

Yes, and they should be paying normal market rates for it. An average narrowbody payrate for a junior Captain would be somewhere in the range of $120/hr. Skybus is paying just over half of that.

 

[relief tube]

yup.....spirit's wages are ridiculously low too.

But anyone else notice Go-jets and Spirit guys on the radio are many times foreign?

There's nothing wrong with being foreign, its that coming over here for a job, you don't have a good idea of what the fair market is.

 

[HA25]

Starting a cheap low cost airline that has reduced employee pay is what Southwest was born from......and look where they are now.

on this forum that HARD FACT will fall on deaf ears.. and ironically some of the loudest critics of Skybus are the JetBlue, Southwest, Airtran (I used to call them Airtrash when I was at ASA) and I have actually seen a Spirit guy jump in on a thread somewhere.. Sprit, that's an ALPA carrier and also pays their 1st years CA's $65/hr, but sadly due to their work rules, even if someone was lucky enough to upgrade that fast, he'd never get the credit hours and days off of a Skybus CA..

Pot meet Kettle... that's what FI.com should be renamed..

 

[PCL_128]

Sprit, that's an ALPA carrier and also pays their 1st years CA's $65/hr

And if there was even the slightest chance in hell that there would ever be a 1st year CA at Spirit, then that argument might have some merit. But this is the real world. A junior CA at Spirit makes $118/hr.

 

[HA25]

And if there was even the slightest chance in hell that there would ever be a 1st year CA at Spirit, then that argument might have some merit. But this is the real world. A junior CA at Spirit makes $118/hr.

CA or FO, does it really matter in the way airlines are structured today what the title is? An FO at UPS makes more than most CA's at UAL.. so what?

Fact is, with in 1 year at Skybus, you make more than most airlines out there PERIOD.

 

[oceandude]

More freaking hate! I guess you guys like seeing people out of work. MAN.............

 

[FlyingFarmer]

Hate?

It's not hate you liberal little "terd"! Many here have lost their job. Do you think you have the market cornered on that? WE, didn't pay for training, we didn't invest in some 747 operation, and we didn't go to work for some S-"whole" operator like Scuzz-bus. Maybe someday you'll understand, but I doubt it.