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Flybynite said:
Wow, your company sure is lucky to have you. It should be a requirement to have you on the flight deck for every single leg of every single flight. I guess a two man cockpit is probably one too many for you. I'm sure you believe all that dribble you just wrote. Do you at least give the captain a leg now and then? What an arrogant sheet. Forgetting to flare, you are an idiot.
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Is that the best you can do? Try to insult me or ridicule me?

You know, I normally ignore personal insults because they are normally hurled by individuals without any class. I'm hoping that given your age, you're not one of those and are just having a bad evening.

I'll be happy to debate, but please stick to the point.
 
Freight Dog said:
Is that the best you can do? Try to insult me or ridicule me?

You know, I normally ignore personal insults because they are normally hurled by individuals without any class. I'm hoping that given your age, you're not one of those and are just having a bad evening.

I'll be happy to debate, but please stick to the point.
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Trying to be fair I reread your post, nothing to debate, if you really believe the crap you wrote, you are an idiot. Check the mirror for class, your post is an insult to every pilot at your company.
 
Flybynite, this is my last post to you. I've re-read my post as well, and I stated my observations. If I'm an idiot because they don't fit your agenda, so be it.

Enjoy your retirement.
 
Gee Hoot, funny how you start your crusade when you're a senior captain, days from retirement. Where was the passion five years ago when you were a copilot waiting for upgrade?
 
Speaking of Hooties, man that Farrah could really bring it back in the day.

She is still a pretty fine looking lady.

Thanks for that avatar!

FJ
 
Gee Hoot, funny how you start your crusade when you're a senior captain, days from retirement. Where was the passion five years ago when you were a copilot waiting for upgrade?
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He was not a senior Capt. You guys need to get over it, its gonna change. Just like you were able to get over the fact that SWA didn't hire you. Move on. :bawling:

the SWA/FO :pimp:
 
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SWA/FO said:
Just like you were able to get over the fact that SWA didn't hire you. Move on. :bawling:

the SWA/FO :pimp:
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Tools like you are the reason I never even applied there. Scratch that...tools like you are the reason I never PAID FOR MY TYPE TRAINING to apply for a job there.
 
Guess what Hoot? I'm not "ready" to fly in the right seat another 5 years. Get a Life dude. After his career he still needs to fly 6 legs a day thru Love Field. Loser.
 
highsky said:
Gee Hoot, funny how you start your crusade when you're a senior captain, days from retirement. Where was the passion five years ago when you were a copilot waiting for upgrade?
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Hoot was not a senior Capt, and really wasn't on a "crusade" for any age change. KHOU came to Hoot, not the other way around, and they asked the question....

Sorry the KHOU didn't come looking for your opinion.

Tejas
 
ferlo said:
Guess what Hoot? I'm not "ready" to fly in the right seat another 5 years. Get a Life dude. After his career he still needs to fly 6 legs a day thru Love Field. Loser.
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Who says a change in the Age 60 rule will result in your being in the right seat anbother 5 years? Plus, you make your comment as if it's an absolute....OK if you are really not ready to sit in the right seat another 5 years....tell us what you are gonna do if the age 60 rule changes....or if your airline furloughs ( more) or stagnates for around 5 years....watcha gonna do?

BTW....while it may have been true years ago....6 legs a day through Love Field doesn't happen very often....and even a jr Captain like Hoot could stay away from that if he choose to.

Tejas
 
ferlo said:
Guess what Hoot? I'm not "ready" to fly in the right seat another 5 years. Get a Life dude. After his career he still needs to fly 6 legs a day thru Love Field. Loser.
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If you think that Hoot needs to get a life, you are way off base. As for your loser comment, you probably need five more years in the right seat to be qualified to carry his flight bag.
 
I have to hand it to you SWA guys; you really stick up for each other.

Too bad you isolate yourselves as a group of tools, not getting on board with the brotherhood and career objectives of every other pilot in the industry.
 
Goodbye Hoot, have fun on the golf course! You deserve the rest, and the rest of us need the upgrade and extra safety. It is, as you know, all about safety. What was the oldest Space Shuttle Commander (actually flying it) by the way?

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
strega7 said:
That alone should be reason enough to change. Why would we be in agreement with those countries?
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The reason ICAO changed it was because of LCC expansion and the need for pilots. They were running out of pilots in most of those countries. That is the truth, not them waking up and saying "wow, we should allow the old farts to keep flying, it really isn't FAIR...." Nope. They need pilots thanks to Ryanair and Easyjet expansion, plus Vueling, Air Berlin, Wizair, Windjet, Air One, BMI Baby, Flyglobespan, Jet2, Skyeurope, and ALL of the regular airlines that have stayed in Business and thrived. (all National Airlines are still around and expanding) So, do we have that same problem? No. We don't. And they are disregarding safety----yet they actually recommend not allowing 2 over age 60 guys in the same cockpit. Why is that? No one can answer that.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Funny how the WN guys are all about coming after another airlines furloughees when the cream they're using to skimming is running dry.

How about pension reform and getting a real retirement..and no, profit sharing and 401k do not count. I think we've be over this already.
 
Luv

Guys, let's not turn this into a hate WN-fest. This is about age 60.

The LUV boys voted about 60:40 back in 2003 to push for this to change. They've added about 1500 pilots since then. I doubt they would pass this today. They are afraid of a vote.
 
General Lee said:
The reason ICAO changed it was because of LCC expansion and the need for pilots. They were running out of pilots in most of those countries. That is the truth, not them waking up and saying "wow, we should allow the old farts to keep flying, it really isn't FAIR...." Nope. They need pilots thanks to Ryanair and Easyjet expansion, plus Vueling, Air Berlin, Wizair, Windjet, Air One, BMI Baby, Flyglobespan, Jet2, Skyeurope, and ALL of the regular airlines that have stayed in Business and thrived. (all National Airlines are still around and expanding) So, do we have that same problem? No. We don't. And they are disregarding safety----yet they actually recommend not allowing 2 over age 60 guys in the same cockpit. Why is that? No one can answer that.


Bye Bye--General Lee
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The current rule has no merit or any basis in fact for its existence. It was not put in place for safety and if it did not exist today there is no way that it would pass.

Does age play a role in the possibility of one slumping over in the cockpit? Of course it does. The proposed change allows a cautious move towards having older pilots in the cockpit, one day at a time. If you think that safety is an issue here, you should be happy that they are limiting the cockpit to only a single pilot over 60.

Again, state the facts for your safety arguement when you come up with some.
 
Cyclone said:
Guys, let's not turn this into a hate WN-fest. This is about age 60.

The LUV boys voted about 60:40 back in 2003 to push for this to change. They've added about 1500 pilots since then. I doubt they would pass this today. They are afraid of a vote.
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It has been voted on twice and surveyed as recently as the past week. If they choose to vote again that is fine with me.
 
Chest Rockwell said:
The current rule has no merit or any basis in fact for its existence. It was not put in place for safety and if it did not exist today there is no way that it would pass.

Does age play a role in the possibility of one slumping over in the cockpit? Of course it does. The proposed change allows a cautious move towards having older pilots in the cockpit, one day at a time. If you think that safety is an issue here, you should be happy that they are limiting the cockpit to only a single pilot over 60.

Again, state the facts for your safety arguement when you come up with some.
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I guess you totally overlooked why ICAO changed the rule in the first place. Not to help out old farts, but rather they have a pilot shortage over in Europe. You and I both know old pilots have problems with time zones, multiple legs, and night vision/ depth perception. If you don't know that, then you are one. Wake up old man. Now I know why you are so against this. And, with all of your new pilots that you have hired as of late (1500), how would they vote today if you put one up? I bet I know---they want you OUT. See ya. That is a fact, JACK.(Pssss. It is hard to come up with "facts" when not everyone goes to the same doctor---did you ever think of that? I bet some pilots have friends as doctors, and they probably don't do tough medicals? You think?)

Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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highsky said:
Too bad you isolate yourselves not getting on board with the brotherhood and career objectives of every other pilot in the industry.
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Oooooh, let me guess, would that be the career objective of furlough, bankruptcy or poor quality of life? Or all three, I can never keep those straight.
 
General Lee said:
I guess you totally overlooked why ICAO changed the rule in the first place. Not to help out old farts, but rather they have a pilot shortage over in Europe. You and I both know old pilots have problems with time zones, multiple legs, and night vision/ depth perception. If you don't know that, then you are one. Wake up old man. Now I know why you are so against this. And, with all of your new pilots that you have hired as of late (1500), how would they vote today if you put one up? I bet I know---they want you OUT. See ya. That is a fact, JACK.(Pssss. It is hard to come up with "facts" when not everyone goes to the same doctor---did you ever think of that? I bet some pilots have friends as doctors, and they probably don't do tough medicals? You think?)

Bye Bye---General Lee
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I do not care how or why the ICAO rule is changed. Admittedly the ICAO rule will make a change in the U.S. more acceptable for the politicians involved. The U.S. rule must stand on its own merit. You have had every chance to state facts, but you continue with nothing but opinions. For every story of an "old guy" not pulling his/her weight, we can come up with the same for a younger pilot who had to be bailed out by his/her fellow pilot.

Your mind reading is faulty. Your claim to know my motivation to be pro-change and you are not even close. I do not intend to benefit from it, but who knows what may lie ahead. I have stated several times why I am for the change, and it is not for myself. I simply feel that the current rule was enacted without merit and is fundamentally wrong.
 
If it is unsafe for pilots to fly past age 60 why did ALPA sign a contract allowing Air Canada's pilot to fly past age 60, why did the FAA wait until the early 90s to have the age 60 rule apply to Part 135 scheduled carriers, and why doesn't the FAA apply age 60 to non-schedule 135 and Part 91.

If it is bad to "change the rules" in aviation why was it okay to allow the Airlines to be deregulated. If that rule hadn't been changed there would be no JetBlue, AirTran, FedEx, UPS (the aviation side), no large regional, and SWA would only be in Texas.
 
It's POTENTIALLY unsafe, not to mention there's no need for having over 60 crowd in the cockpit as we have plenty of qualified pilots around that are under 60.

Why push it?
 
I have to hand it to you SWA guys; you really stick up for each other.

Too bad you isolate yourselves as a group of tools, not getting on board with the brotherhood and career objectives of every other pilot in the industry.
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You're the ass master, how did you get that name? Where is it you work? USAF? They will never go out of business. Didn't quite catch where you work, just that you're the ass master.
 

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