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Honda Jet - 1st public flight

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Just read that it went on it's 1st public flight. Any thoughts? Will it sell? It's got a lot of competition. Even Embraer jumped on the wagon with its VLJ a few months ago.

I can imagine that pax would not like to see those jets mounted on top of the wings like that, and would not be surprised to see them moved back to rear like all the other jets, as the program develops. (Trivia...did you know that the ERJ 145 had top mounted engines, during design stage?)
 

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I would be surprised to see Honda go in to production with this as well. They're pretty conservative and this would be pretty out of character to go out on a limb like that. Look how long it took them to start in to the pick-up truck market for crying out loud.
 

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Honda built the jet as a test bed for their new engines. They don't really have any plans to certify that plane in the near future, but they want to get the engines certified. I'm pretty sure they are partnered with GE in that venture.

Check out the article in the most recent AOPA Pilot.
 

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Good AOPA article on the aircraft. I think it would compete pretty well if it was put into production...but since they move slowly and deliberately, they may miss the boat on this one.
 

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h25b said:
I would be surprised to see Honda go in to production with this as well. They're pretty conservative and this would be pretty out of character to go out on a limb like that. Look how long it took them to start in to the pick-up truck market for crying out loud.

Let's hope it runs better than the new 2002 Honda CRV we purchased a few years ago ... a Lemon from day 1. Still dealing with it :(
 

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750driver said:
Let's hope it runs better than the new 2002 Honda CRV we purchased a few years ago ... a Lemon from day 1. Still dealing with it :(

Wow... That's the first dissatisfied Honda owner I have run across in years... I have owned 3 Honda Civics and just bought a 2005 Odyssey for the wife. Never have had anything but outstanding reliability and customer service. Sorry to hear about your bad luck. What problems have you been having ?
 

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My first time hearing about a dissatisfied Honda owner as well. No Lemon Laws to protect you?
 

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I am sure there are a few "lemon" aircraft rolling off the line each year also.
 

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Sorry to hear about your bad luck. What problems have you been having ?

Apologies for diverting the thread topic, but to answer the Qs:

We've owned 5 Honda cars, 1 motorcycle, and 1 lawnmower (all new). Never had a problem until this CRV. Japan build location on VIN, not England. 1st year after a major redesign; big mistake on my part.

The day we brought it home from the dealer, the rear axle seal leaked all over the garage floor (out of service for 6 days at Honda dealer for repairs). That was just the beginning. Trans dumped fluid and was replaced at 4700 miles. I've had 4 pages worth of documented failures similar to the ones listed above, and all handled by the dealer.

Suffice it to say, I've never had problems with our other vehicles. They are all well maintained and detailed. The issue here is that Honda refused to take responsibility for this lemon, and they fought us all the way. They didn't want to set precedence by admitting any fault.

Hopefully they'll back up the maintenance on this new aircraft (if it ever reaches production). I don't want to waste anymore forum space, but if anyone has additional questions, PM me and I'll elaborate.
 
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Honda engines

To confirm what was said before, Honda is partnered with GE to build their turbines. They are also partnered with Continental to research a Honda 4-cyl piston. I don't know what they will market for sure, but I imagine they will succeed in whatever they choose to do!
 

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750 Driver,

WOW, I've never heard of anything like that with a Honda product!! I had a CR-V myself and it was wonderful, but it was the original. Heck if I count;

Motorcycles,
50, CL100, SL350, SL350 (yes I bought it twice) and CB750

Generators
1.0KVA, 3.0KVA

Lawnmowers, One

Cars
1983 Accord LX 3Dr
1988 Accord LX Sedan
1986 Acura Integra SL
1994 Acura Legend L
1995 Accord EXL
1998 CR-V w/ABS - Leather
2003 Pilot EXL
2003 Acura MDX (my current dream machine, Touring Model with Nav & DVD)

Never, ever heard of any experience like yours. Tell me more !

TransMach
 
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TransMach said:
750 Driver,

WOW, I've never heard of anything like that with a Honda product!! I had a CR-V myself and it was wonderful, but it was the original. Heck if I count;

Never, ever heard of any experience like yours. Tell me more !

TransMach

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I guess we just got lucky :) A buddy of mine bought an 03 and hasn't had any issues. Our cars all look brand new and we take great care of them. Oh well ... maybe Toyota will decide to build an aircraft. I'd buy one based on my experience with their products & services.
 

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crash-proof said:
Just read that it went on it's 1st public flight. Any thoughts? Will it sell? It's got a lot of competition. Even Embraer jumped on the wagon with its VLJ a few months ago.

I can imagine that pax would not like to see those jets mounted on top of the wings like that, and would not be surprised to see them moved back to rear like all the other jets, as the program develops. (Trivia...did you know that the ERJ 145 had top mounted engines, during design stage?)

Ya, but if the engines go back to the normal position, you lose the extra cabin space. The AOPA article was interesting; says the wing-mounted engine's biggest engineering problem was potential flutter.

I agree with you that the public might not like the engines there, though there've been jets on pylons since the Me252, 'bout 60 yr ago; just hanging on the other side of the wing :D . Also, people have taken a liking to the Piaggio Avanti, from what I hear.

I've been following the Honda jet for a while. I've seen a lot of experimental/developmental airplanes over the years, and I was struck by how "finished" their airplane appears. Most testbeds look pretty raw, especially the cockpits and cabins. Honda's looks like it just rolled off the assembly line.

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I saw this plane a few months ago in GSO (miserably hot place). It was doing low passes for a photo shoot. I was surprised at its size...it's friggin tiny!

I also heard that it's an engine testing platform, production is unlikely. Might be interesting though.
 

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But isn't it odd that they would put so much thought into an airframe when they don't plan to market it? Afterall, why would they care about increasing pax space with engine placement if the airframe isn't going to production? Hmmm...
 

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It is an amazingly finished aircraft for no intentions of marketing it...
 

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I saw it at it's one-day debut in Oshkosh. It is larger than the Eclipse. Considerably larger, by VLJ standards anyway.

Oh, it will be marketed, no doubt.
 

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crash-proof said:
But isn't it odd that they would put so much thought into an airframe when they don't plan to market it? Afterall, why would they care about increasing pax space with engine placement if the airframe isn't going to production? Hmmm...

h25b said:
It is an amazingly finished aircraft for no intentions of marketing it...

I wonder why? ;)

From this week's Avweb news website (see the link for the full article):

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/447-full.html#190319

[font=Arial,Helvetica]Carmaker Has A Change Of Heart[/font]





Well, as the old saying goes, everything is for sale and that apparently includes the HondaJet. Days after the (relatively) innovative aircraft went on display at EAA AirVenture, word from Honda's head office is that it might offer a certificated version of the aircraft. First sales "will be in at least two to three years," Honda President Takeo Fukui is quoted as saying by company spokesman Shigeki Endo. Endo said someone at Oshkosh put a deposit on an airplane ... despite Honda's assertions that it wasn't planning to go into the airplane business. The huge amount of attention garnered by the jet, with its wing pylon-mounted engines, may have had something to do with what appears to be a sudden change of heart. The plane always had a crowd around it in Aeroshell Square and it had some pretty stiff competition for the rubberneckers. It shared center stage with GlobalFlyer and SpaceShipOne, and Cessna's new Mustang was only a short walk away.








 
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