Holy line of Thunderstorms batman

[avbug]

I don't degrade the flying skills of people who have only flown 91/121, however, it is a well known fact (ok, maybe just a shared belief) among pilots that flying freight has to be one of the best learning experiences one could ever encounter. There is absolutely no replacement for the "skills" (if you wish to call them that) that you attain in this line of business.

Now THAT was funny. Asinine, but funny.

It's all about headwork folks, analyze the situation, come up with a SAFE solution and then execute it. That's the only reason they haven't trained a monkey to do this job.

Apparently they have...

But i am a superhero, i have been mistaken for superman a few times, heck, i guess i am just that good looking. Cowboy up...oh wait, i can't stand the cowboys, but hey, whatever it takes...

Mine is bigger actually...and i can still fly circles around ya.

Apparently it's feeding time at the zoo, superman. Don't let your dinner get cold.

 

[starchkr]

Another great post by our favorite user...man you just don't get it do ya???? People who can't read between lines really need help in their lives...it's plain and simple, try again, and by the way, zoo food is way better than that crap i get out of the machines every night. Mmmmmmm...smashed bugs, what do ya know...

Some of you get it, everyone else, well just keep pluggin' away.

 

[Tired Soul]

:erm:Hahahaha...(polite laugh)
Hope I never end up on your right seat man.
Even if you were joking, your sense of humour is off a little.
Almost killed myself a couple of times flying piston singles in WX.
Not any more thank you very much.
-learning is a change in behaviour due to experience-








Flying is a mental skill not a physical one....at least for most of us most of the time

 

[NoPax]

I've been flying freight for only one season, but I have learned a lot - probably as much as I would have had I landed a corporate or passenger job.

Sure I have fun while doing it, to break the mundane flying from point A to B, maybe a short approach, taxiing a little on the fast side, but nothing too crazy.

What I like the most is the challenge. There is little challenge in flying over thunderstorms (CB tops + 1000ft for every 10 knots?), sure, it will lead to less grey hair and probably a longer life overall, but swap that Lear, Falcon, Gulfstream or whatever, for a piston-prop then see how brave you are.

It is gratifying to get the job done, on time if you can, but for me more gratifying to get it done safely, and go home to the wife and dogs every morning. That said, I'll still fly freight over any passenger.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Another great post by our favorite user...man you just don't get it do ya???? People who can't read between lines really need help in their lives...it's plain and simple, try again, and by the way, zoo food is way better than that crap i get out of the machines every night. Mmmmmmm...smashed bugs, what do ya know...

Some of you get it, everyone else, well just keep pluggin' away.

I dont think anyone gets it starchkr.



so you made yourself look like an ametuer, why all the backpedaling?



how old are you? 12? -- what gives?

 

[FlyingFisherman]

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=66926

Alright, i know it's just wrong, but i just had to keep this going!!! Everyone needs to look at the thread in the general section titled "Holy line of thunderstorms...", sorry i don't know how to do the link. Ahhh, this is so great, you need to watch me keep these guys going, it is so much fun, they are all trying to "school" me on how things are suppossed to be, but the joke is on them. I am purposely trying to get em all fired up, it is just too much fun...most of the stuff i am putting in there is pretty bogus, but then again some is truth. You will just have to pick out the fun and the real for yourself.
For those of you on here that know me, you can definately see it happening, but for those of you who do not, it might take a little while to truly understand my humor. I do love having fun with people...life is too short to not have fun...


I've always wanted to use the

 

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[USC328]

I guess it's part of the nature of the beast. It takes a certain amount of ego to be able to strap yourself into the pointy end of an aluminum tube and launch yourself and the family jewels down range. I've got no problems with that, I'm probably just as guilty as the next guy.

As far as freight pilots having some sort of superior skills or abilities and higher levels of experience - like I said, I rode with 4 different crews 2/3's of the way across the country and back. What I was saw wasn't particularly skillful - it was sloppyness. The only reason they got a way with some of the stuff they did was because it was three freak'n A.M. in the morning and absolutley no one cared what they were doing. It's probably a good thing that boxes can't complain.

'Sled

Please define sloppyness. Would that be a descent at 9000fpm with spoilers out and thrust idle. Actually, it's called fuel conservation and can be done at 3am due to lack of traffic and no pax comfort to worry about. At AirNet, we never had the nice little banana to tell us when to descent. We actually did mental math, which yes, was easy, everynight. Trust me, those guys were thinking and planning that descent the entire time. If that was not what you were talking about, I'd still like to hear what was sloppy about their flying. I probably know all the crews you flew with very well. Especially the ones you would have ridden with out of APA.

 

[Flightjock30]

all you guys are bragging about your experiences in severe turbulence...but have any of you flown in EXTREME turbulence?

I have, Im better!!!

haha kidding of course

 

[Dangerkitty]

Please define sloppyness. Would that be a descent at 9000fpm with spoilers out and thrust idle. Actually, it's called fuel conservation and can be done at 3am due to lack of traffic and no pax comfort to worry about. At AirNet, we never had the nice little banana to tell us when to descent. We actually did mental math, which yes, was easy, everynight. Trust me, those guys were thinking and planning that descent the entire time. If that was not what you were talking about, I'd still like to hear what was sloppy about their flying. I probably know all the crews you flew with very well. Especially the ones you would have ridden with out of APA.

Not only is desceding with the spoilers out bad fuel conservation it is also terrible energy management.

If there is no traffic out there then you should just wait to descend via a 4-5' degree rate of descent. Thats going to give you the best of both worlds.

 

[PacoPollo]

Just flew over that beast a few hours ago.


Thank God I was in a Falcon 50EX and not a MD-80

Ding ding ding ding We have a winner..another Dorky Pilot Series Post!!!!!

 

[Dangerkitty]

Ding ding ding ding We have a winner..another Dorky Pilot Series Post!!!!!

Typical PacoPollo post. Has nothing to contribute so he just slings insults because he feels so bitter about being stuck at Eagle.

Maybe therapy is in order.

 

[PacoPollo]

Careful not to get banned again....

 

[Dangerkitty]

Careful not to get banned again....

Once again you need to brush up on your English as a second language classes.

 

[Metro752]

What's your problem with speaking spanish?

 

[Lead Sled]

Not only is desceding with the spoilers out bad fuel conservation it is also terrible energy management.

If there is no traffic out there then you should just wait to descend via a 4-5' degree rate of descent. Thats going to give you the best of both worlds.

Well said Danger, but it was much more than that. Remember, at the time I flew with those guys, I was also flying a Lear 35 and we didn't have a "banana" to tell us when to descend either. We also had to "think" - imagine that. Refering back to Starckr's post where he mentioned things like stalling a Lear. How do you explain that - exceptional skill or judgement? I would call it lack of knowledge and/or judgement and/or skill. Right or wrong, my overall impression was one of lack of discipline - a bunch of cowboys out having a good time in a Lear - night after night after night. Good times, but bad habits.

My original point was that most pilots can manage to complete a flight without having to resort to "amazing feats of airmanship" and do it comfortably and during hours when people were actually paying attention. Freight pilots don't have any thing on the rest of the world.

'Sled

 

[Dangerkitty]

What's your problem with speaking spanish?

I dont have a problem with spanish. But if this idiot is going to try to insult me he might as well use proper grammar.

 

[PacoPollo]

I dont have a problem with spanish. But if this idiot is going to try to insult me he might as well use proper grammar.

Sir, where have I insulted you ??

 

[Dangerkitty]

Sir, where have I insulted you ??

You attempt to but fail miserably. You also stop posting when I ask you simple questions that you are too scared to answer.

You are the one that started all the BS. You dont even know me yet you continually state I am an arrogant AA pilot. Only becuase you have had some sort of bad experience with AA pilots or the APA in the past you paint us all with a broad brush. Sorry things have not been rosy at Eagle for you but it has nothing to do with me.

 

[starchkr]

DAM, you outted me Beotch!!!! :laugh:

I guess it's too late now to break out the "YOU'VE JUST BEEN PUNK'D" huh...

If i could have lasted a couple more pages it would have been great...the first flightinfo punk'd would have worked right into my hands. Maybe i should be more careful next time...I guess i didn't figure a cargo thread troll would be the one to out me though...it's cool, I'll remember that. It was pretty good though, you have to admit...:laugh: :beer:


Actually, USC328 is correct, by staying up higher for a longer period of time we are burning less fuel to our descent point, and then bringing the throttles to idle allows almost no burn from the flight levels to the ground. Versus using a longer descent path with the power up to keep the speed up as well, and you will burn many times the fuel over the previous descent. Our descent planning gives us max speed with min fuel burn...however, i can't say i have ever done the gear down and spoilers out from the flight levels (must have been an oh $hit night huh Purv...). Usually a 2 to 1 gives us the best speed for fuel burn, sometimes you can go a little less with headwinds...but i know they can do a 1 to 1, again never done it on the line, but the emergency descent training will show it can do that and more.

As far as sloppy...I have flown many an airline pilot around on our airplanes, and all of them are impressed at how we operate and get things done. The descents impress them and show them just how easily it can be done. They also like how "organized" we are in the cockpit, even when we are having fun, laughing and enjoying what we do. Most of them actually express that although they are making $150K+ they really wish they could fly a cargo lear again or for the first time. So sloppy really does not fit our operation, and as has been said before, the FAA loves to ride around with us, and they all approve of our operations as well, and trust me, we don't "tone it down" just because they are on board. We fly like we are taught to do, and that's all...just like you fly the way you are taught...they are both safe, and both get the job done.

Ok, so the above was pretty honest...and for the rest of ya, man, everything else on this thread was pretty bogus, and all said to keep the fire under your arse going...and it worked, it is way too easy to get to some of you. Maybe a little toning down of the "serious" side and a little up swing of the child inside would do some wonders. And yes, sometimes Gulfstream i do feel like i am still 12...man do you remember those days, all fun and games, and no worries about anything else...except maybe a little inkling towards that really well endowed girl that bloomed a little earlier than the rest...yeah, i like to let the kid inside roam free, it will keep me young longer.