Holly Hegeman names GECAS as the Sugardaddy behind AWA/UAIR

[General Lee]

General Lee and Lowecur...can't we all just get along?? Why don't you two kiss and make up?


All for now,

DLslug

SSSSSSStop it, you sssssillly man!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[TWA Dude]

Don't even get started on this untill the deal is done. It's a waste of time and only creates hostility. Believe me I know.

I agree. Please everyone cease any talk about how an integration might go. IMHO only an impartial arbitrator can make a fair decision.

 

[HAL]

I agree. Please everyone cease any talk about how an integration might go. IMHO only an impartial arbitrator can make a fair decision.

That's a noble thought, but it is usually the two union MEC's who make that decision. And I can see AWA's down-home stubborness meeting up with USAirways' east-coast stubborness and causing a pretty ugly mess if there ever is a merger.

However, I do have faith in Doug Parker. I seriously doubt he'd do anything that would harm AWA in the way many people have speculated about this merger. Remember that he is the one that shot down the AWA/ATA pairing, so unless there is some absolute gain for AWA as a whole, there's no way this merger would happen.

HAL

 

[NAA Pilot]

For those of you about to scream AA/TWA, remember that AA is not ALPA, and as the buyer in that merger called the shots.


HAL

True but remember, ALPA did NOTHING to help the TWAers battle the big bad APA. They rolled over allowing a precedence to be set. One that held up in court. The next time two ALPA carriers merge, the dominant one WILL screw the weaker one, ALPA national will tell weaker carrier this is a pretty good deal take it. Weaker carrier will take it to court and lose because case law will show that the APA had the right to screw TWA and ALPA national did nothing but agree.

Good luck if this happens. My opinion is the USAir guys will get totally screwed. I feel for them. Too bad they did nothing while TWA got screwed.

 

[michael707767]

Yeah right. The guy who has been at HP for a month deserves better seniority than the 15 plus year guy on the street? Don't even get started on this untill the deal is done. It's a waste of time and only creates hostility. Believe me I know.

actually, yes, an HP guy who has been there for a month should go ahead of a 15 year U guy on the street. DOH matters not, its the job you hold that matters. And if one month at HP gets you in the right seat, and 15 years at U does not, then the HP guy gets to stay.

 

[HalinTexas]

Remember that he is the one that shot down the AWA/ATA pairing,

That's not quite accurate. He did shoot it down, but it had nothing to do with the union agreements, ALPA and AFA. He shot it down because he couldn't get the funding for all of the airplanes, that is to say, the fanancing backed out.

The way I've heard it since, is that he lost the funding because he didn't want to sign long term leases for ATA's B737's. Remember, AWA has no orders for Boeing aircraft and is phasing out their B737's.

Too bad, it could have been a hell of a merger.

 

[Cactus73]

That's not quite accurate. He did shoot it down, but it had nothing to do with the union agreements, ALPA and AFA. He shot it down because he couldn't get the funding for all of the airplanes, that is to say, the fanancing backed out.

The way I've heard it since, is that he lost the funding because he didn't want to sign long term leases for ATA's B737's. Remember, AWA has no orders for Boeing aircraft and is phasing out their B737's.

Too bad, it could have been a hell of a merger.

It wasn't just the 737's. Continental made a side deal with Boeing to take 6 757-300's and they were willing to pay more than AWA. Without the 757-300's, Doug didn't have enough airplanes to do the ETOPS flying that would make the deal cash positive.

The silent hand of Gordon Bethune.

 

[TWA Dude]

That's a noble thought, but it is usually the two union MEC's who make that decision.

It's not just a noble thought for me; I mean action. And it's not just the two MEC's making decisions -- there are powerful outside influences. The OZ/TWA merger had Icahn (OZ was entitled to binding arbitration but Icahn's threats forced their hands), TWA/AA had a bankruptcy judge (change your contract or lose it all), ALG/PDT had what's-his-face at US ready to liquidate ALG. There's just to much emotional involvement for pilots to make rational decisions on this. Plus there's no agreement on what consitutes a windfall. Only an arbitrator can make a decision people can live with. I realize it's a longshot to get to one but that's what I'll fight for.

 

[AA717driver]

Just think, all those PHL rampers could spread throughout the system and bring USAir effeciency to the whole company... TC

 

[PHXFLYR]

Might be an improvement over AWA "efficiency"....or should I say, lack thereof



PHXFLYR

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Might be an improvement over AWA "efficiency"....or should I say, lack thereof



PHXFLYR

Oh my goodness, the non happy has spoken!!! I thought that you were going to at least make the attempt at happiness

WD.

 

[xanderman]

Might be an improvement over AWA "efficiency"....or should I say, lack thereof



PHXFLYR

PHX!!! haven't seen ya 'round much. How are things...?

 

[PHXFLYR]

Pretty good,Andy...How's everything with you? Gave up on the board for a bit. Thought I'd jump back into the frey and see what's going on.


Whiskey Driver... Chill bro' ... I just wanted to see if you were paying attention Guess you were !!

PHXFLYR