High Altitude Endorsement

[wickedpilot]

Let say I received ground school training about the High Altitude environment: aerodynamics, meteorology, respiration, Hypoxia, TUC etc. [as listed in 61.31 (g)(1)(i-ix)] from an Air force base. Then, I take a CFI (that has his high-altitude endorsement) into a B-757 flight simulator for the flight portion. Can he legally endorse me with a high-altitude? If so, How would this be viewed by an airline?

My thoughts are that according to the regulations it’s legal, but it seems a bit scanty to have an endorsement in my book from a B-757 when I only have a few hours of turbine. Would I be expected to answer in depth system questions if I did this?

 

[350DRIVER]

Let say I received ground school training about the High Altitude environment: aerodynamics, meteorology, respiration, Hypoxia, TUC etc. [as listed in 61.31 (g)(1)(i-ix)] from an Air force base.

Did a CFI teach the course, etc, ? If so then get the endorsement from him/her.

Then, I take a CFI (that has his high-altitude endorsement) into a B-757 flight simulator for the flight portion. Can he legally endorse me with a high-altitude? If so, How would this be viewed by an airline?

I believe from a "legal" standpoint the answer would be yes assuming he is appropriately rated in the above mentioned aircraft. I do not think that taking your average 400 hour CFI from Aunty Jamie's flight school into a 75 sim is going to work very well and would suggest not doing so, especially at your experience level. It is much easier to just get the endorsement from a cfi and leave the 75 out of the equation.

Would I be expected to answer in depth system questions if I did this?

Probably not but if I were on an interview board you can be assured that I would ask you questions about the emerg. descents, loss of pressurization, procedures, etc, if I saw 757 sim time logged.


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[2000flyer]

My question would also be "who is running the sim?" My guess would be an appropriate rated instructor who then could sign off your High Altitude. However, to do this you'll have to have an emergency of some sort (ac, pressurization, blown window, etc.) and you'll have to execute the emergency procedures. Do you know them on a 757?

To the best of my knowledge there is no "category and class" when getting the endorsement. However, as 350 said, you might very well face some questions down the road during an interview.

Lastly, why are you getting the endorsement in the first place? Are you flying something that will require it? If so, why not do it in the aircraft you're flying?

2000Flyer

 

[wickedpilot]

Did a CFI teach the course, etc, ? If so then get the endorsement from him/her.

Ahh yes, let me clairfy: The course is a Flight Physiology/High Altitude Chamber Training Course that is requried for Air Force pilots but open to civilian pilots such as myself. The referenced CFI is my cheif flight instructor who was present and participated in the training. Upon completion, they [the flight physiology department] give you a card that states you have successfully completed the ground portion for the High Atltitude training.

I have access to fly in a 75 sim. My Cheif Flight Instructor offered to sit-in on a sim session with me and an appropriately rated 75 instructor pilot (without a current "CFI"). After the sim flight, the Chief would endorse my book because he had observed both the ground & flight training.

I believe from a "legal" standpoint the answer would be yes assuming he is appropriately rated in the above mentioned aircraft. I do not think that taking your average 400 hour CFI from Aunty Jamie's flight school into a 75 sim is going to work very well and would suggest not doing so, especially at your experience level. It is much easier to just get the endorsement from a cfi and leave the 75 out of the equation.

Yes, but the endorsement must come from a CFI that already has the endorsement, correct? And the 75 Sim flight is for gratis, whereas hiring a CFI and renting a Lear to take me up to 250 is way out of my financial realm. I would not think that a Chief pilot would even make the offer if it would raise any eyebrows???

 

[midlifeflyer]

"I had an opportunity to learn about high altitude operations and earn my high altitude endorsement. It involved a ground school session and a flight in a B-757 simulator. Obviously, I didn't really learn that much about the 75 itself, but the ground session was very valuable and the sim session taught me the importance of making sure I understand how those systems work in any pressurized airplane I do fly."

What's the big deal? I really don't understand why that would raise any eyebrows.

 

[wickedpilot]

This wouldn't be my first time in the 75 Sim. I have about 25hrs in it as well as various other Transport Category sims. I have been through a number of emergency situations while sim training including V1 cuts, RTO's, and Rejected Landings to name a few. I have not however, done rapid, slow, or explosive decompression procedures or emergency decent training which, of course, would be covered during flight training for the high alt. endorsement.

 

[mattpilot]

hmm... there is a program by the FAA in OKC where you participate in a day long class including a pressure chamber and all that stuff, were upon completion of that program, you get a high-altitude endorsement. I don't know how much it was, but it was less than $100.

 

[pilotjww]

High Altitude Endoresement

Baloney. The FAA OKC course was free last year when I attended, but it is only training, and not an endorsement.

 

[mattpilot]

maybe it was just to school charging for the ride down there + for food .. don't remember to be honest