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AV8OR

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Guaranteed this is where we're headed if things don't change.........

Found this article on Yahoo finance.......

A Radical Fix for Airlines: Make Flying Free

Business 2.0 on CNNMoney.com
By Matthew Maier

Michael O'Leary, Chief Executive of Ireland's Ryanair, Europe's most profitable airline, wants to make air travel free. Not free as in free from regulation, but free as in zero cost. By the end of the decade, he promises, "more than half of our passengers will fly free."

The remarkable thing is, few analysts think his prediction is far-fetched: Ryanair already offers free fares to a quarter of its customers.

By a wide margin

Even without free flights, Ryanair has become one of Europe's most popular carriers. Last year it flew 35 million passengers to more than 100 European destinations, while its customers paid an average fare of just $53. The airline enjoyed revenues of $1.7 billion, up 20 percent over 2004, at a time when most competitors were stuck in a holding pattern.


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Even more impressive, Ryanair's $368 million in net earnings gave the airline an industry-leading 22 percent net profit margin. (By comparison, Southwest Airlines's net margin was 7.2 percent.) "Ryanair has the strongest financials in the European airline industry," says James Parker, an equity analyst with Raymond James.

The secret? Ryanair's austere cost structure almost makes Southwest look profligate. In addition, the Irish airline puts a price on virtually everything except tickets, from baggage check-in to seat-back advertising space. As a result, last year Ryanair collected $265 million--15.6 percent of overall revenues--from sources other than ticket sales.

"We weren't the first to figure this out," O'Leary says. "But we do it better than everybody else."

The similarities to the Southwest model are hardly coincidental. In 1991, when Ryanair was just another struggling European regional carrier, O'Leary went to Dallas to meet Southwest executives and look for lessons he could take back to Ireland. The visit prompted a wholesale reconsideration of how the airline did business.

Following Southwest's lead, Ryanair embraced a single type of aircraft--the venerable Boeing 737. Likewise, it focused on smaller, secondary airports and began to offer open (unassigned) passenger seating.

But Ryanair has since gone even further. A Trinity College-educated accountant who spent several years at KPMG, O'Leary is maniacal about keeping costs down. "We want to be known as the Wal-Mart of flying," he says.

A Radical Fix for Airlines: Make Flying Free - Continued

Like the retail giant, each time Ryanair comes up with a new way to cut costs by a few million dollars--for example, by removing seat-back pockets to reduce weight and cleaning expense--O'Leary passes the savings along to customers in the form of lower fares.

No free peanuts

It also means charging passengers for practically every amenity they might consume. There are no free peanuts or beverages on Ryanair flights; 27 million passengers bought in-flight refreshments on the airline last year, generating sales of $61 million, or an average of $2.25 per person.

On March 16, Ryanair eliminated its free checked-bag allowance and began charging $3.50 per piece--a "revenue-neutral" fee that was offset by cutting ticket prices by an average of $3.50. Ryanair expects the move to save $36 million a year by reducing fuel and handling costs.

The airline is just as aggressive in its efforts to develop new sources of revenue. Today, 98 percent of Ryanair's passengers book their flights online, and the company's website sees roughly 15 million unique visitors a month--making it Europe's most popular travel site.

The airline uses that traffic as a marketing tool for related services; each time a passenger books a rental car or a hotel room, Ryanair earns a percentage of the sale. Linking customers to such services brought in more than $100 million during 2005.

O'Leary is also starting to turn his planes into media and entertainment plays. He's offered advertisers the opportunity to repaint the exteriors of Ryanair's planes, effectively turning them into giant billboards. (Hertz, Jaguar, and Vodafone have purchased space on the fuselages of Ryanair's 737s).

For passengers seeking distraction, Ryanair intends to offer in-flight gambling in 2007, with the airline earning a tiny cut off of each wager. O'Leary thinks gambling could double Ryanair's profits over the next decade, but he's not stopping there.

He also envisions a day when the airline can charge passengers for the ability to use their cell phones at 35,000 feet. And he's expressed interest in partnering with operators of airport parking lots and concession stands to capture a bigger slice of the cash that passengers spend on the ground getting to and from his planes.

Add it all up--relentless cost cutting on the operations side, combined with innovative efforts to extract more revenue from each traveler--and O'Leary's plan to give away half of Ryanair's seats by 2010 starts to look quite sane.

Sure, taking to the skies on Ryanair may feel more like riding in a subway car than an airplane, but strapped U.S. carriers, take note: Flying people from here to there for free could truly be liberating.

And then I found this recruitment......

Pilot Recruitment

We are Europe’s largest low fares airline with 91 Boeing 737s and firm orders for a further 143 new Boeing 737-800s. With 25 of these aircraft arriving in the next 12 months we are inviting online applications for rated and non-rated Captains and First Officers.
What’s on offer – 5 reasons to become a Ryanair Pilot

1. Outstanding Earnings Potential
Ryanair Pilots are recognised as the best paid short haul pilots in Europe. Senior pilots in Ryanair have excellent remuneration packages as follows:

UK
Eurozone
Captains
Up to £100,000
Up to €130,000​
First Officers (1,500 hrs)
Up to £70,000
Up to €80,000​

At Ryanair there are no seniority lists and there are no complicated salary scales, you can expect to reach these amounts in 3 – 5 years, with more if you take on a line training role.
2. Fixed Roster Pattern
Ryanair Pilots enjoy a stable 5 on, 3 off roster pattern comprising a week of early shifts followed by a week of late shifts. This offers our Pilots fixed days off and an ability to plan their time off which is unique in aviation. Rosters are published 4 weeks in advance.
3. Home every night
At Ryanair there are no planned overnights. If you are based at Rome-Ciampino you will start and end your day at Rome-Ciampino, barring of course technical problems or exceptional circumstances. Combined with our stable roster pattern this delivers a unique quality of life for Ryanair pilots.
4. Unrivalled Career Progression
With our aircraft deliveries and expansion plans first officers can expect to enter the command evaluation process within three years. We are also currently recruiting for Direct Entry Fast Track Command positions; first officers with more than 3,000 total hours and 500 hours on type can apply for a fast track command position, you can enter the command evaluation process after 6 months flying as a Ryanair First Officer. We also have Line Training / TRE / TRI positions available.
5. Share Options Scheme
We believe that our pilots should share in the success of the company and that’s why we have operated a share options scheme which has so far delivered individual gains of over €250,000 to Ryanair pilots since we floated on the Stock Exchange in 1997.
Bases

We will have vacancies at all 15 of our bases throughout Europe as well as two new bases which are due to be announced this summer. Our current bases are as follows:
  • London-Stansted
  • Dublin
  • Frankfurt-Hahn
  • Glasgow-Prestwick
  • Rome-Ciampino
  • London-Luton
  • Shannon
  • Brussels-Charleroi
  • Stockholm-Skavsta
  • Milan-Bergamo
  • Barcelona-Girona
  • Liverpool
  • Cork
  • Pisa-Florence
  • East Midlands
Hope those of you that got into this career via the "fast track" are ready. Here it comes. Bend over.
 
They give you $90,000 a year as a first, but the minute you use 2 cents worth of electricity to charge your cell phone, you are fired. But seriously, I think gambling on the airplane is a good idea. Passengers would rather bet $500 on a single hand then pay an extra $5 toward fares.
 
How much are those salaries in U.S. dollars?
I'm too lazy to search the internet for conversion programs.


Is this the direction we are all going? Unfortunately, yes.
 
Big Slick said:
How much are those salaries in U.S. dollars?
I'm too lazy to search the internet for conversion programs.


Is this the direction we are all going? Unfortunately, yes.
$90-150 thousand and climbing, the dollar is suffering.
 
I believe those salaries are difficult to ever achieve. It's bs. Go to PPRUN.com and do a search on Ryanair. It's a sweatshop. Do you think this guy would forbid his pilots to plug in their cell phones on company property and then treat them well? If they want a coke they have to pay for it. GMAFB. You also have to pay for your own recurrent training at this airline. In the race to the bottom Ryan Air has a commanding lead.
 
I think it has already been tried in the US. The airline was called Western Pacific out of Denver. They hored the planes paint out to whomever would pay them. Fox had an a/c painted in the simpsons. Bottom line, the businiess passengers didn't feel to professional in a plane painted like a cartoon........and United ran them out of town and out of business in a matter of years.
 
Don't think this could happen here? Jonathan Lorenzostein has been publicly quoted saying he "wants to start America's first Ultra Low Fare Airline". If he ever gets this going todays LCCs will have a very tough time competing.
 
All I know is that I'm paying $350 to go to CUN this summer on DAL and it's too much.

I'm already gambling--that DAL and ASA won't lose my bags (not good odds) or that I'll get friendly service and a whole can of coke (50/50).

Why are you carping about $120-$150/yr. as Capt.? That's what JB is paying. AND, that's WAY above what UAL and NWA are (and DAL soon will be) paying for NB CA's. (The $120k figure being the DE yr. 1 pay.)

The pax want bottom dollar fares and the employees won't take a stand and risk losing what they have left. There won't be just one victor in the race to the bottom, it will be everyone.

Congrats. :rolleyes: TC
 
1 GBP =1.74445 USD. I think there may have been some conversion confusion? The Captain salaries are more like 174K
FO = 121K
 
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$350.00??????????.........$350.00?????????? OMG, that is outragous!!!! Where the F does DAL get off? It should at least cost no more than it costs to drive there. But since that would call for driving across(under) the Gulf or through Mexico, which would probably take the length of your vacation, or drown you at least, maybe a couple of monkeys could fly out of your butt and take you there? :eek: I'm sorry, were you being facetious or rhetorical?
 
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Another scary thought...

I went to an AIRINC conference in atlanta and a couple of ex-Ryan air guys are getting together to try a start up here in the US called Skybus. The CEO (I think) gave a presentation promising the same thing. All airbuses and the same guarantee of being home every night. I think the Ryan Air guys actually have to pay for their hotel rooms if they have to stay somewhere as well as recurrent training etc.

Wonderful...........I think they are accepting apps and are trying to start some time late this year.
 
iwannaflyCAL said:
Another scary thought...

I went to an AIRINC conference in atlanta and a couple of ex-Ryan air guys are getting together to try a start up here in the US called Skybus. The CEO (I think) gave a presentation promising the same thing. All airbuses and the same guarantee of being home every night. I think the Ryan Air guys actually have to pay for their hotel rooms if they have to stay somewhere as well as recurrent training etc.

Wonderful...........I think they are accepting apps and are trying to start some time late this year.


http://www.skybus.com/...

Is this what your'e talking about?
 
Yup.

They were at the Nov 05 ATL job fair. I think the guy giving the presentation said something about a late 06 start up. I didn't take any notes during his presentation after he said something about saving money by not having to book rooms for crews. I figured if they were nickel and diming that much from the beginning, then the pay would be absurd. Anybody else go to the one in ATL last Nov? I can't remember all of the details, but it seemed like they had mucho funding and kinda wanted to take SouthWest on. I don't know if he went to any other AIRINC conferences after ATL.
 
Ex737Driver said:
$350.00??????????.........$350.00?????????? OMG, that is outragous!!!! Where the F does DAL get off? It should at least cost no more than it costs to drive there. But since that would call for driving across(under) the Gulf or through Mexico, which would probably take the length of your vacation, or drown you at least, maybe a couple of monkeys could fly out of your butt and take you there? :eek: I'm sorry, were you being facetious or rhetorical?

DAL is just another Ch.11 resident charging less than cost for a ticket. I was only half facetious.

As a former member of the airline pilot community, I now have to pay for my own tickets for vacation. The lower the better.

Since I still have friends in the business, I hope it works out for everyone.

As a realist, I doubt it will.TC
 
I'm stationed here in the EU now and almost drank the RyanAir koolaid as well. I'm still AD military, however was researching the company a few months back. read the fine print! FO pay up to "70K GBP", but year one is not much off of what you see stateside. they post the max rates after 10-15 yrs. also good point to read this board's EU cousin at http://www.pprune.org/forums/index.php search Ryan Air. Not very pretty from their own people. Kind of like SWA you have to be 73 typed already, however, (that is a BIG COMMA) you have to use one of two services to type you and they are no higher power $5995 special. Try more like 15-20K GBP. Fear not, the grass is not much greener here.
--Jeeves
 
The CEO of Ryanair is a major investor and has a seat on the board of allegiant airlines. They are trying to change the law in the US so foreigners can own more of a US carrier. Perhaps, they are allready here.

I was told that allegiant got many of it's ideas on selling stuff on planes from Ryanair. I hear allegiant is a nice place to work, but what if this guy get's in charge of it?
 
Bush wants the foreign owner ship to go through..unreal.....
 
IXLR8 said:
Bush wants the foreign owner ship to go through..unreal.....

Why is it "unreal"? If anyone here thinks those in power in this or any other country give a $h!t about us worker bees, they're nuts!

Bush and every other trust-fund-baby/Forbes 400/politician-whore has theirs. We are just high priced immigrant labor with fewer rights... TC
 
i bet its better than working at mesaba.......hell, i can bring my own water and nuts on a plane.......and to make 60 grand is a lot better than less than 30 now.....
 
I don't know what you guys are looking at but it sure is not a comparison of living. you must only be looking at what that breaks down to in USD, not a wise thing to do. Captains make up to 100,000GBP is what it states. You live where you are based. So if you look at that in London versus, say oh shot in the dark here, Louisville. You would be making UP TO $62,585 as a senior captain. yeah you better re-think that open skies thing because these guys will eat our lunch if they are able to fly free in the US. Just like the maritime and steel industry.
 
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shon7 said:
what happened to "let the free market rule."

Are you a worshipper of the free market? Look back on history. The original capitalists in top hats, so often mocked in Pravda cartoons during the cold war, employed child labor in grueling sweat shops... because they could. Monopolies and predatory business practices became the order of the day. Google the history of Standard oil.

If ALL restraints were removed, and OSHA and the government utterly vanished, every store would be a big-box Wal-mart staffed by Guatemalans at $1.00/hour, every car a KIA or Yugo, and every airline a Ryan-air, where you can't charge your cell-phone because of the electricity cost.
 

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