Hey Family Guy!! We need to settle this!!

[msculley6905]

A couple of years ago ONLY the company had the option to extend the contract. Not the Union. The Union "willing/wanting to extend" the contract wasn't an option. The company chose NOT to extend the contract AND requested to start negotiations early.

So the correct question is "Why was the company unwilling to extend this "great" contract?"

I agree with you, and from day 1 they opted to open it up i thought it was horrible timing to do so, but the point remains that the status quo was thought to be OK by the union. Question is... if they came back to the table with the current CBA and throw in COLA, would it be livable, or has earning power diminished so much in only 2 yrs?

 

[Sky Captain]

I agree with you, and from day 1 they opted to open it up i thought it was horrible timing to do so, but the point remains that the status quo was thought to be OK by the union. Question is... if they came back to the table with the current CBA and throw in COLA, would it be livable, or has earning power diminished so much in only 2 yrs?

COLA won't do it now for sure (doubt it would have back then either). Pilots r more engaged and educated now in regards to pay, direct deposits for 401k (16% of salary a lot more than $7500 MAX from NJA right now), not to mention the clean up to current sections that the company opened to scrutiny due to their interpretations (chief pilots off seniority list, handle of recall, etc.).

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Love and fun are two different things.

i love what I do. But love doesn't pay the bills.

Sorry, I guess that I have been mistaken all these years. My solution to the problem that you state, "love doesn't pay the bills," is to live within my paycheck.

Bob

 

[CA1900]

I agree with you, and from day 1 they opted to open it up i thought it was horrible timing to do so, but the point remains that the status quo was thought to be OK by the union.

The union's only input on the extension was in 2007 when the contract was voted in. The 3-year extension was an option the company could exercise if they met a set of conditions beforehand. The union had no input on it, as it was already negotiated.

Question is... if they came back to the table with the current CBA and throw in COLA, would it be livable, or has earning power diminished so much in only 2 yrs?

For me, absolutely not, and it isn't just because of diminished earning power.

We're working harder, and spending more days on the road, thanks to a week of training being eliminated every year. Meanwhile, the company deliberately ran out the clock on their promise to negotiate a distance learning agreement, and we're now stuck with hours upon hours of computer-based training to be done on our own time.

Other aspects of quality of life on the road are going downhill rapidly, from crew food to hotels to crew scheduling. I won't vote for a new contract that doesn't substantively address these issues.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Question is... if they came back to the table with the current CBA and throw in COLA, would it be livable, or has earning power diminished so much in only 2 yrs?

I can't speak for the pilots, but I can tell you that much has changed in the last two years. Vendors are now very wary of NetJets, their aggressive reinterpretations of existing contracts, and their over reaching demands for pieces of the vendors other business revenues. Not to mention NJ's lightning quick trigger response to threaten and file lawsuits.

This has led the vendors to rethink how they do business with NetJets and question if it is even worth it. They are now raising margins to NJ and getting very specific on the contractual terms because they can no longer trust NetJets to do the right thing.

I suspect the pilots and other unions have learned the same lesson and will now want more protections than the previous agreement offered.

 

[Diesel]

I can't speak for the pilots, but I can tell you that much has changed in the last two years. Vendors are now very wary of NetJets, their aggressive reinterpretations of existing contracts, and their over reaching demands for pieces of the vendors other business revenues. Not to mention NJ's lightning quick trigger response to threaten and file lawsuits.

This has led the vendors to rethink how they do business with NetJets and question if it is even worth it. They are now raising margins to NJ and getting very specific on the contractual terms because they can no longer trust NetJets to do the right thing.

I suspect the pilots and other unions have learned the same lesson and will now want more protections than the previous agreement offered.

Best thing I've ever seen you write.

Vendors are a lot smarter this time around.

 

[T-1GUY]

Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me....

 

[Hawkered]

I can't speak for the pilots, but I can tell you that much has changed in the last two years. Vendors are now very wary of NetJets, their aggressive reinterpretations of existing contracts, and their over reaching demands for pieces of the vendors other business revenues. Not to mention NJ's lightning quick trigger response to threaten and file lawsuits.

This has led the vendors to rethink how they do business with NetJets and question if it is even worth it. They are now raising margins to NJ and getting very specific on the contractual terms because they can no longer trust NetJets to do the right thing.

I suspect the pilots and other unions have learned the same lesson and will now want more protections than the previous agreement offered.

If that isn't a warning to us, i don't know what is.