Hey Family Guy!! We need to settle this!!

[msculley6905]

Love and fun are two different things.

i love what I do. But love doesn't pay the bills.

Take for instance the company says we are industry leading and considers soft money on top of our salary.

401k match- actually very good.

Per Diem- That is how I eat. They get us crew food to keep the planes flying so lets not kid ourselves.

Holiday Pay- No holiday pay for me due to my schedule.

Supplemental Duty pay- I don't get that either.

Extrended days/after midnights- Don't even have 1 last year

Hourly Overtime- Very very rare.

PTO day payout- Never been paid out my entire career.

Vacation payout- So keep working and not go on vacation? Why don't i just sleep in the plane. Nope never have paid out.

Longevity bonus- Ummm what?

http://teamnetjets.com/wp-content/u...-Pilot-Total-Compensation-Breakdown-Large.jpg

So that is what the company thinks about our compensation. Look at all the extra money you get..... Hmmm that sure helps out my 6 years of pay cap. LOL

I asked before and never got an answer, but again, why was the union willing/wanting to extend the current "crap" CBA a couple years ago? OK then, but not now?

 

[Diesel]

I asked before and never got an answer, but again, why was the union willing/wanting to extend the current "crap" CBA a couple years ago? OK then, but not now?

Because it was a very different company, economy, and union a couple f years ago.

 

[FamilyGuy]

http://teamnetjets.com/wp-content/u...-Pilot-Total-Compensation-Breakdown-Large.jpg

So that is what the company thinks about our compensation. Look at all the extra money you get..... Hmmm that sure helps out my 6 years of pay cap. LOL

I'm surprised they didn't include the value of your medical/dental/vision benefits in this chart. They always included it in the year end summary that they started sending the non union people in 2010.

Or the tips. If they could, they would include that in the comp total as well.

As for vacation payout, the only way you would get that on the non union side is if you left the company.

 

[CA1900]

Or the tips. If they could, they would include that in the comp total as well.

I get maybe $100 in a good year. I don't think that's going to make much of a dent in the budget.

 

[Hawkered]

I get maybe $100 in a good year. I don't think that's going to make much of a dent in the budget.

You must not be trying!

 

[Diesel]

All my tips go to my fa.

They can use it more than me. Since the company took away their 401k matching.

 

[squonk]

The funny thing about tips. Had Santulli encouraged our owners to tip in the day instead of discouraging the practice, he probably could have settled for soooooo much less!

 

[Hawkered]

We will be losing one pilot per day soon!

 

[Sky Captain]

I asked before and never got an answer, but again, why was the union willing/wanting to extend the current "crap" CBA a couple years ago? OK then, but not now?

A couple of years ago ONLY the company had the option to extend the contract. Not the Union. The Union "willing/wanting to extend" the contract wasn't an option. The company chose NOT to extend the contract AND requested to start negotiations early.

So the correct question is "Why was the company unwilling to extend this "great" contract?"

 

[jonjuan]

All my tips go to my fa.

They can use it more than me. Since the company took away their 401k matching.

She does all the work.

 

[msculley6905]

A couple of years ago ONLY the company had the option to extend the contract. Not the Union. The Union "willing/wanting to extend" the contract wasn't an option. The company chose NOT to extend the contract AND requested to start negotiations early.

So the correct question is "Why was the company unwilling to extend this "great" contract?"

I agree with you, and from day 1 they opted to open it up i thought it was horrible timing to do so, but the point remains that the status quo was thought to be OK by the union. Question is... if they came back to the table with the current CBA and throw in COLA, would it be livable, or has earning power diminished so much in only 2 yrs?

 

[Sky Captain]

I agree with you, and from day 1 they opted to open it up i thought it was horrible timing to do so, but the point remains that the status quo was thought to be OK by the union. Question is... if they came back to the table with the current CBA and throw in COLA, would it be livable, or has earning power diminished so much in only 2 yrs?

COLA won't do it now for sure (doubt it would have back then either). Pilots r more engaged and educated now in regards to pay, direct deposits for 401k (16% of salary a lot more than $7500 MAX from NJA right now), not to mention the clean up to current sections that the company opened to scrutiny due to their interpretations (chief pilots off seniority list, handle of recall, etc.).

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Love and fun are two different things.

i love what I do. But love doesn't pay the bills.

Sorry, I guess that I have been mistaken all these years. My solution to the problem that you state, "love doesn't pay the bills," is to live within my paycheck.

Bob

 

[CA1900]

I agree with you, and from day 1 they opted to open it up i thought it was horrible timing to do so, but the point remains that the status quo was thought to be OK by the union.

The union's only input on the extension was in 2007 when the contract was voted in. The 3-year extension was an option the company could exercise if they met a set of conditions beforehand. The union had no input on it, as it was already negotiated.

Question is... if they came back to the table with the current CBA and throw in COLA, would it be livable, or has earning power diminished so much in only 2 yrs?

For me, absolutely not, and it isn't just because of diminished earning power.

We're working harder, and spending more days on the road, thanks to a week of training being eliminated every year. Meanwhile, the company deliberately ran out the clock on their promise to negotiate a distance learning agreement, and we're now stuck with hours upon hours of computer-based training to be done on our own time.

Other aspects of quality of life on the road are going downhill rapidly, from crew food to hotels to crew scheduling. I won't vote for a new contract that doesn't substantively address these issues.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Question is... if they came back to the table with the current CBA and throw in COLA, would it be livable, or has earning power diminished so much in only 2 yrs?

I can't speak for the pilots, but I can tell you that much has changed in the last two years. Vendors are now very wary of NetJets, their aggressive reinterpretations of existing contracts, and their over reaching demands for pieces of the vendors other business revenues. Not to mention NJ's lightning quick trigger response to threaten and file lawsuits.

This has led the vendors to rethink how they do business with NetJets and question if it is even worth it. They are now raising margins to NJ and getting very specific on the contractual terms because they can no longer trust NetJets to do the right thing.

I suspect the pilots and other unions have learned the same lesson and will now want more protections than the previous agreement offered.