Here's why you don't drink the company coolaid!

[Nevets]

The primary leverage lies with Delta.... They are putting the flying out for bid.....

Skywest management then has leverage with both pilot groups..... ASA and Skywest...... thru whipsaw....doesn't matter that we are ALPA....the whipsaw still stings.....

Is NetJet competing with other pilot groups for the flying within the brand?

Industry leading in the reality of the portfolio whipsaw results in losing flying to your fellow "brothers".....

Until we fix the competition with "brand scope", the best place to be is the middle of the pack......You are confusing our industry and our union with a "brotherhood"...... We are a very loose association that primarily looks out for ourselves.....

If you want to reform ALPA, then we can talk.... Until then, expect more of the status quo.....

What do you suggest?

 

[JoeMerchant]

What do you suggest?

Oh I don't know.... How about the Brand Scope that old DW promised.....

In addition to Brand Scope, we could lobby for higher entry requirements for 121 flying and we could push for a national seniority list with minimum contract standards......

What do you suggest?

 

[Nevets]

Oh I don't know.... How about the Brand Scope that old DW promised.....

In addition to Brand Scope, we could lobby for higher entry requirements for 121 flying and we could push for a national seniority list with minimum contract standards......

What do you suggest?

Im not familiar with DW's promise. How would higher entry requirements help? Not flaming. Just asking to see where you are coming from on that.

As for the national seniority list, Im with you there. More like a "real" union (for lack of a better word) rather than the "loose association."

 

[JoeMerchant]

Im not familiar with DW's promise. How would higher entry requirements help? Not flaming. Just asking to see where you are coming from on that.

As for the national seniority list, Im with you there. More like a "real" union (for lack of a better word) rather than the "loose association."

DW talked about "brand scope" which would control who could do the flying for a given "brand". For example, if the Delta ALPA contract set standards that had to be met to be a DCI carrier, then I wouldn't have to worry about my flying be given to someone else who was cheaper.....Skywest would sign up right away if there was some protection for them.......

Higher entry requirements would drive up the demand for our services across company lines because they couldn't go to the puppy farms to find replacements......In addition, it is a safety issue.....

As of now, we are simply a loose association that doesn't really have much bargaining power.....

 

[MINIME]

XJT may need to do what CHTQ did, and really try to buy another certificate to do some 70 seat flying. I know you couldn't do it for CAL but you might find another carrier that would allow you to.

It's counterproductive for my side of the fence but with today's fuel prices and the state of the economy that might be the only way out. Especially if CAL comes knocking with another 50 plus airframes. Frankly, I'd rather see that than pilots on the street. Which in the end also depletes our negotiating capital for trying to raise the bar. Supply and demand will be gone by the wayside. And we'll be back to post 911 hiring trends and salary slashing.

 

[climbhappy]

Doin time,
they may know anything about airline operations, but they know how to make money. look at the news in recent days. it is always and always will be about making money. the guy ' i'm referring to, an indian national, bought pinnacle at 2.50 a share and rode it up to 28, sold it , let it drop and bought it back in the teens. that's my point. he could care less about labor, junior manning and 2nd year pay.