Here's a new one from NJA, pretty funny.

[fischman]

Stop with the threats...

No problem....

You got 2800 ish pilots that can't wait until the next Executive Board Election!!

How is this a threat? It is no secret that management reads message boards. If you want to risk losing your number, go ahead and break a confidentiality agreement.

 

[RP170]

I gotta tell u the threats towards these furloughed guys who are going thru a tough time show no class. Why don't you just let them on the Union board? I could see cutting them off if they go to a different company but why cut them off now? The guy feels like he got screwed and by the way I have several netjet furloughed friends who feel the same way. You can say its not the unions fault they got furloughed but how they are being treated now says a lot.

Well said. "Out of sight, out of mind" sums it up best in regards to the majority of the e board and current pilots left at NJA when it comes to the furloughed guys.

I have a feeling there is more to come as far as furloughs go and most are in denial and upset as to what their beloved NetJets has become.

As far as CRJ posting "confidential" information; nothing he has said is confidential in any form. Rumors are rumors. That's what FI is for. Good luck trying to take his seniority number. The union would be wiped out financially very quickly in a lawsuit if that happened.

 

[rajflyboy]

How is this a threat? It is no secret that management reads message boards. If you want to risk losing your number, go ahead and break a confidentiality agreement.

The info was put out to a group of PILOTS who happened to be in CMH for whatever reason. Now none of the over 2500 pilots is allowed to hear the info?

Its not like this was a top secret management brief. These were ordinary working pilots.

Ok no biggy

Like I said earlier go ahead and bring on the election. The whole pilot group will then be heard.

 

[fischman]

I gotta tell u the threats towards these furloughed guys who are going thru a tough time show no class. Why don't you just let them on the Union board? I could see cutting them off if they go to a different company but why cut them off now? The guy feels like he got screwed and by the way I have several netjet furloughed friends who feel the same way. You can say its not the unions fault they got furloughed but how they are being treated now says a lot.

Again, how is this a threat? I am not in management. I am a line pilot. I don't have the authority to release people.

The furloughees are not permitted on the union boards because of the bylaws. I am just a line pilot. I am not stopping them from coming on the union boards, the bylaws are.

Here are the simple facts:

1) A manager came to a recurrent class and specified multiple times that the info provided is confidential.
2) All NetJets employees have signed agreements to not divulge information as to our inner workings.
3) CRJFlyer starts a thread wanting us to spew this information on a public board, and then can't realize his request isn't possible.
4) I try to protect not only NetJets, but CRJFlyer from divulging this information, and am accused of threatening him.


Like I said, if you or anyone wants to publish this information go right ahead. Just be prepared to suffer the consequences.

 

[fischman]

Well said. "Out of sight, out of mind" sums it up best in regards to the majority of the e board and current pilots left at NJA when it comes to the furloughed guys.

That's B.S. and you know it. My daughter's Godfather is on the list. I was in his wedding. He has a wife and daughter to provide for while on unemployment. I personally have another dear friend I have known for over 10 years on the list. Wife and autistic son. Believe me when I say that NJASAP is committed to the recall of all our members.

What else would you have us do? Honestly. What else could we have done, or can we do to help out the 495? If anyone has any ideas, I will send them to the eboard for their review. PM if that makes you more comfortable.

 

[fischman]

The info was put out to a group of PILOTS who happened to be in CMH for whatever reason. Now none of the over 2500 pilots is allowed to hear the info?

Its not like this was a top secret management brief. These were ordinary working pilots.

Ok no biggy

Like I said earlier go ahead and bring on the election. The whole pilot group will then be heard.

NetJets pilots are privy to the information. Just contact the D.O., or the NJASAP FWG, and you can get the same briefing I got.

 

[OPECJet]

What Fischman said didn't look like a threat to me, just a stern warning and not out of line either.

I don't like seeing this dirty laundry out here for the world to see, but let's not forget why it's here.

 

[RP170]

Had they revised the bylaws, this thread wouldn't have been started.

You got that right.

 

[CA1900]

What else would you have us do? Honestly. What else could we have done, or can we do to help out the 495?

Keeping full access to the union message board would have been huge. I've heard the arguments against it, and strongly disagree with them. If other unions managed to do it without upsetting the Department of Labor, we certainly could have figured out how they did it instead of reinventing the wheel (and somehow coming to a different conclusion).

And since the bylaws were being amended anyway at virtually the same time as the furlough, a bylaw provision is not a valid reason to lock them out. Until they've resigned that seniority number, I believe they shouldn't be shut out.

We're seeing the end result of that horrible decision: our dirty laundry on FlightInfo for all to enjoy.

 

[fischman]

Keeping full access to the union message board would have been huge. I've heard the arguments against it, and strongly disagree with them. If other unions managed to do it without upsetting the Department of Labor, we certainly could have figured out how they did it instead of reinventing the wheel (and somehow coming to a different conclusion).

And since the bylaws were being amended anyway at virtually the same time as the furlough, a bylaw provision is not a valid reason to lock them out. Until they've resigned that seniority number, I believe they shouldn't be shut out.

We're seeing the end result of that horrible decision: our dirty laundry on FlightInfo for all to enjoy.

I can't disagree with you about any of that.

I'm just saying what the bylaws say. Not what they should say.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Why would you contact the FWG? To get OFFICIAL up to date information instead of B.S. rumor you get on FI.com.

No one is saying you can't talk about what BRK puts out in their statements. What I'm saying is that the reason you don't get HARD NUMBERS is because of loud mouths posting information the company considers sensitive. You want to know why you aren't in the loop? Look in the mirror.

So your saying the union does have official info. I got news for you..The union either doesn't know anything management doesn't tell them or they are guessing like the rest of us. It would be a complete waste of my time to call a rep/steward or whatever (seeing how I've gotten wrong info from them before).

And do you think for a second management would tell recurrents hard numbers? I've been through this goat rope before BTW... I know how it works, and no one from company will come in and give a hard number. so it basically becomes a moot point if I or anyone else posts your so called CONFIDENTIAL info because it is all speculation. And as such I highly doubt someone is gonna pull mine or anyone elses info off this site and try to use it against us. You and a few other computer/msg board die hards may have your "big brother" theories, but I got news for you, it ain't gonna happen.

hazmat hit the nail on the head.. During my last furlough I was treated with more respect and overall better than we have been by some of our own pilots. I'm pro-union, but even they have lost a lot of my vote of confidence.

 

[jppt2000]

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[CRJFlyer]

Again, how is this a threat? I am not in management. I am a line pilot. I don't have the authority to release people.

The furloughees are not permitted on the union boards because of the bylaws. I am just a line pilot. I am not stopping them from coming on the union boards, the bylaws are.

Here are the simple facts:

1) A manager came to a recurrent class and specified multiple times that the info provided is confidential. Thats cool, guess I missed that meeting.
2) All NetJets employees have signed agreements to not divulge information as to our inner workings. super secret inner working. Have planes will fly. It's not the dam CIA
3) CRJFlyer starts a thread wanting us to spew this information on a public board, and then can't realize his request isn't possible. what request? seems I only said what everyone in the fractional world already knows. NJA is hurting, may still be overstaffed and considering more cuts according to a friend of a friend of one of our furloughed guys.
4) I try to protect not only NetJets, but CRJFlyer from divulging this information, and am accused of threatening him. Thanks for the protection, but I think I can handle it.. Can you try to hold my hand on a flight also, there may be some top secret aspect to flying I haven't figured out yet.


Like I said, if you or anyone wants to publish this information go right ahead. Just be prepared to suffer the consequences.Shaking, seriously shaking. I may lose sleep over it. BTW there is no information to publish.. besides the general comes into recurrent and proclaims a new look at staffing in MArch according to someone who was at the meeting. Sorry if your being too dense right now to figure this all out without breaking confidentiality.[/QUOTE]

heres the part you don't get fisch.. I wasn't at those meeting/recurrent, so whoever started this little rumor is the one who is breaking agreements.. God bless NJA if they can prove I or any other furlough was the one breaking an agreement.

Wow..I'm amazed right now. NJA: "es judge, CRJflyer is furloughed and wasn't in CMH at anytime. But we have news that he is leaking info about the content of the meetings."

Judge:"huh, how could he have info from a meeting he never attended?"

Wait, I'm still laughing over your apparent lack of knowledge about our criminal justice system. But I forgot, there are those at NJA that think they would know more than a cardiologist about open heart surgery.

 

[fischman]

So your saying the union does have official info. I got news for you..The union either doesn't know anything management doesn't tell them or they are guessing like the rest of us. It would be a complete waste of my time to call a rep/steward or whatever (seeing how I've gotten wrong info from them before).

And do you think for a second management would tell recurrents hard numbers? I've been through this goat rope before BTW... I know how it works, and no one from company will come in and give a hard number. so it basically becomes a moot point if I or anyone else posts your so called CONFIDENTIAL info because it is all speculation. You're the one who started the thread. Not me. And as such I highly doubt someone is gonna pull mine or anyone elses info off this site and try to use it against us. Are you willing to try that gamble? I'm not. You and a few other computer/msg board die hards may have your "big brother" theories, but I got news for you, it ain't gonna happen. Are you SURE? Would you risk a $130,000 a year job over it?

hazmat hit the nail on the head.. During my last furlough I was treated with more respect and overall better than we have been by some of our own pilots. I'm pro-union, but even they have lost a lot of my vote of confidence.

The FWG has access to the amount of planes, trips, pilots, etc. to be able to perform an analysis and come to the same conclusion (within 1%) that the company did. So yes, I believe their numbers are as good a guess as any.

So if you were treated so much better the last time you were furloughed, how has NJASAP failed you? Did the Voluntary Measures and monetary sacrifices we took not help you at all? Has the money we have donated to the NJFF been wasted? If it is, please let me know. I don't want to donate to an organization that isn't living up to it's promises.

I don't know where you were brought up, but when someone does something nice for me, I don't spit in their face. I say "thank you". If we treated you as poorly as you claim, I don't think I'd want to come back. Why don't you just resign your seniority number, then you can talk about company secrets as loud as you want.

 

[CRJFlyer]

We're seeing the end result of that horrible decision: our dirty laundry on FlightInfo for all to enjoy.

Yup, and exactly as promised I might add. Some here can't handle that their precious company has any issues. But like we've all said, once we were shut out, that was our reasoning to put the laundry on the line.

Now I won't go as far as telling pax names etc.. which IS a complete breach, but something as low key as possibly more furloughs, is NOT a big news story as far as secrecy. It is huge as far as recalls etc.