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pilotswife

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Just wondered if this flying thing is ever gonna happen! I have been really supportive until this point, but I need some encouragement if any of you have some to give. I have sacraficed so much to get my husband all his ratings (1000 total 125 multi)- (we lived apart for a year while he attended flight school) I lived with his parents -while raising our 2 kids while flying for CO as a FA while he spent every dime we ever had. Now- after I convinced him to give up the CFI gig and get a decent paying job so we could move out on our own again he wants to sell the house we just bought to either buy an airplane or go back to being a $250/week CFI!!!! I can't take it!!!
He seems to think that everything in the industry is going to pick up in another year or two. We have 2 small kids a mortgage and the list goes on... I think sometimes he would choose flying over us even though he tells us he is doing the whole thing for us. So sorry to ramble on about this- anyone else out there in a similar situation???
pilotswife
 
It is not easy, as nothing seems to be right now.

Although it will be a tough road, much better times are ahead for pilots in my opinion. Those that stick it out now will see better times later in their professional career.

It is tough all over though. If he can keep instructing while looking for another (flying) job then try and support him best you can. Don't let him buy an airplane. That isn't an easy way to make a buck or a living.

Just in the past few months I have seen members on this board finally find a job other than teaching. It can and will happen, you just have to be very diligent.


And I doubt he cares about flying more than his family. He is probably just very focused and intent on making this a career. Nothing wrong with that.

Hang in there if you can. I know he will appreciate you for it later.
 
Supporting your hubby

It helps that you're in the business. I'd bet plenty of the pilots with whom you've flown have regaled you with their tales of how they struggled to the top. So, you know it isn't easy.

Your husband needs more flight time. He's low on multi. He needs to build it up and hang in while he's doing it. Once he has more time, companies will be interested in him. I'd bet hiring will pick up at about that time. Just ask the pilots you fly with.

Don't let him buy an airplane. No matter how well-budgeted the venture may be, insurance and maintenance will eat him alive.

You are his support system. He needs you more than ever. Give it time. It'll pay you.
 
In a similar situation? Not anymore. We were for about 12 years while I was getting ratings and building time. Now my wife is home and cancer free. Life is very good. Believe me it could be worse. And when its as bad as you think it can be it will get better.

Hang tough Pilotswife. Like the movie says, you never know what you're going to get. It is an adventure though, isnt it!

Dont sell the house. Dont buy an airplane. The only advice I can give you is, " If it Floats, Flys, or F---s, RENT IT"! I hope I got a small smile out of that one. Not even a little, itsy, bitsy one?
 
It's not a easy decision to make. I never would of become a pilot if it wasn't for my loving wife. My wife has sacraficed for many years now, to make sure I do what I love. Remember it is a two way street and compromise is the key to success. Remind your husband about the compromise. Remind him that you are willing to bend but not break over becoming a pilot. My wife and I decided a long time ago that we were more important to each other than any career.
Good Luck
You will make the right decision.
Falcondriver
 
From wife of rumpletumber

I understand your feelings pilotswife! My husband read your post and called me to read it....he thought I might want to respond. He is on these forum things all the time, but this is my first time....so sorry if I ramble.

I am in just about the same situation as you. My husband has been working on his CFI for the past 9 months after becoming unemployed in another career. We have struggled like mad....almost loosing our house three times....having utilities cut off....etc. etc. We have 3 kids and right now the only income we have is what I make. There are many many days that I ask myself the same question that you have asked....."is this flying thing EVER going to happen." My answer is....I don't have a clue, but I sure hope so. Every time I have flown with rumpletumbler, I can see that he is really good at it....you can just see the look on his face of really loving what he is doing at that very moment. I'm sure you've seen it in your husbands face too.

I'm being very longwinded here and probably not an "encouragement" to you, but I wanted to let you know that you aren't alone. I am right out there with you.....frustrated....hurting.....sometime even wanting to give up myself. But, God gave us to our husbands so that we would come along beside them to help and support them. They (the husbands) make that VERY DIFFICULT sometimes, but we have to stick with them....keep them reigned in a little when they get wild ideas like buying airplanes, or selling our homes.

I read the responses to your post and its hard to not give you advise too. Every situation is different and every marriage is different. The only thing that I can say is what I know from experience. I don't know if being the wife of a pilot is worth all of this.....but I DO know this......you need to try every single thing (within reason) that you can to make it work. Because in the end, if you divorce him.....your kids will pay the price.....and let me tell you, that there is nothing worse than seeing your children suffer that pain.....because it NEVER goes away for them like it will for us. Leaving a husband is easier than leaving a "daddy."

Lets hang in there together pilotswife.....EVENTUALLY it must pay off!

rumpletumbler's wife
 
Hi Nicole- I remember writing you before 9-11- amazing how the industry has changed. I will give it to you straight- we had an Instructor Pilot on our way to XNA and he told us we have United, US Air and Delta pilots going through training at ASA!! When I followed up for an old freight buddy I was told he did not have enough turbine time! The days of 1200/200 and a job are over. I don't wish to sound negative and I certainly can't predict the future. I think your family should come first. Your husband can always teach on the side but if you have small children I would not bet the ranch on an Airline job now or in the near future.Also, while he is teaching on the weekends he may make a corporate contact or two, you never know! All the best- Wil
 
Husband's job

Your husband's job is to support his family. I was in the same situation in 1982, 39 years old, third job in five years, big lay offs, no jobs, only income Navy Reserve flying and unemployment. I got out of flying and became a tailpipe salesman. This what you have to do to make ends meet. If he wanted to pursue this life with his new mistress (flying) he should have done it before the kids came along. Sorry, but that is the life you have, he entered into a contract with you and now he has to live up to that contract.
 
This is more of a message for your husband. Do not quit your day job or if you don't have one, go get one. You can always instruct on evenings and weekends. You would be suprised at how much flying you can get by showing up at the airport when your student is supposed to be there and do your flight. I know that not all "full time" instructors are really flying all day. I can't count the days where there is a flight in the AM and one in the PM where you sit around all day and pump gas or whatever then the PM student fails to show. Whole day wasted when you could have done the same thing but worked all day at a heck of alot more in wages. Aviation is a mistress, she can be kind and the next day she can be cruel. I know its tough to be in your shoes, been there, done that but never forget how tough it can be on the wife and kids who really are at times the silent majority who hold their opinions in check just not to hurt you. If you want to survive this you need to have open and honest communication with your family. If you don't they might not say a thing untill all the belongings are packed in the car and house is empty with a note saying they love you but just can't live like this anymore. Family comes first, period end of story. Your honesty, loyalty and integrety will continue to honor you for all of your days. Aviation will always be there. It goes in cycles. I left flying for almost 10 years and became an attorney. I'm back flying again for the past two years. By the end of this year I will set flying aside and go back into a partnership as an attorney. My family comes first, period. I love flying. Just because you have a day job doesn't mean you can't have fun flying at other times. I am fortunate to have good communication with my family and they are willing to stand by me flying or as an attorney. With the good communication I know which profession they would rather I do. Therefore its not a hard choice for me. Just remember aviation goes in cycles and the merry-go-round will come back around. Go on some "other rides" with the wife and kids for now and keep watching the merry-go-round to see if you want a ride the next time it stops.

Whatever you decide to do, do so with Honor and the Klingon Empire will be proud.

KlingonLRDRVR
 
I hate to burst anyone's bubble here but I can tell you from my own experience that If it were not for my very supportive first fiancee and very supportive first wife and very supportive second wife, I would not have been able to support my flying habit and live as well as I have... and that's with NO KIDS. Your husband has chosen to have a family so his number one responsibility is to provide for you and your children right now, not in his dreams as an airline pilot. Your hubby needs to get a grip and get a job... Maybe he can find a line of work that gives him time to fly as a CFI on the side or just fly for fun and not for income.
 
In today's market 1000tt and 125 multi is nothing. Your husband will need at least twice that amount to be competitive just for a Regional job if he's lucky. And, if he's lucky enough to get hired anytime soon, you'll have to live on poverty wages for many years until he can upgrade to Captain. The pre 9/11 days of hiring are gone for the foreseeable future. Your husband is now competing with many furloughed major airline pilots for a regional job.

I really can't believe your husband has put you and the kids through such hardships at this point and time for some aviation school's glossy pamphlet promising the world after obtaining your ratings. The reality is that aviation is a very fickle career field. Hiring and furloughs are a fact of life throughout ones career. Making decent money only comes after making Capt at a Regional and beyond. Your husband is a long way from that point.

Your husband needs to get a job outside of aviation and support his family. He can work just as hard as a part time CFI and gaining hours.
 
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Another point I want to make. I see this a lot, especially in young people just starting out, and not just in aviation but in other career fields. In aviation they'll say something to the effect of: "I'm going to get all my ratings this year, I'll be a CFI for 8 months then get on with a small freight company. After about 6 months getting multi PIC time I'll get on with a Regional. In a year to 18 months I'll be a Capt and 6 months later a major will hire me. Sounds like a good plan, right?

It sounds like a doable plan, aggressive but doable, if you don't consider the "X" factor. The "X" factor is all the variables that you have absolutely no control over. They would include the hiring cycles of the airline (very cyclical), the world economy, major sickness and just pure good ole' fashion luck.

When I look back at my career, I am amazed at how much of what happened to me was pure luck and timing. Sure, people will say you make your luck by preparing yourself but the timing had to be right also. I could be the most experienced aviator in the world but if the airlines aren't hiring then all that experience and 50 cents would only buy me a cup of coffee.

Your husband's timing couldn't be worse has far as current hiring trends go and I don't see that changing any time soon.
 
I disagree that decent wages will be seen once a captain at a regional. My friend is a fifth year captain on the Saab at American Eagle making 38K a year! I don't call that decent for a family of 4. Neither does his ex-wife.

Figure a year from now, your husband will be hired at a regional, then five years from that point he'll be making between 38K and 43K per year (adjusted for inflation, unless he works for Eagle).

The friend I mentioned above was EXACTLY in the same situation as your husband. In fact, the ex-wife was also a FA at Continental. They divorced due to the stresses - he was always on the road, she raised the kids alone and quit her job to do so, they lived with inlaws to make ends meet, were always borrowing money from others, got deep into debt, ruined their credit, constant calls from collection agencies...now they each have over $10,000 in mediation and lawyer's fees due to the divorce and custody issues.

The low salary wouldn't be so bad if the husband was around more. But the combination of low pay, the husband being gone from home three to four nights per week, and you raising your kids without a fulltime father is going to be difficult. Your family will be alone while your husband is in a crappy hotel room in Lawton Oklahoma on Christmas Eve.

Also keep in mind there ALOT of temptations on the road for a pilot. I have seen the cheating that goes on, and it's widespread. Yes, widespread.

I am all for encouraging one's spouse to follow dreams. Just understand what the sacrifices are going to be and decide what your priorities are as individuals and as a couple.

Sorry to be so negative, but, unfortunately, this isn't a unique scenario. Many marriages fail due to these types of stressors.
 
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I disagree that decent wages will be seen once a captain at a regional. My friend is a fifth year captain on the Saab at American Eagle making 38K a year! I don't call that decent for a family of 4

English,

Your right. 38K with a family of 4 isn't decent but I was thinking more about the "potential" salary of a RJ or Junglejet Capt making in the 50-60K+ range. While still well below major airline Capt income, it would still be considered a decent income by John Q. Public.

Heck, as a 3rd year Metro Capt back at the commuters I was making 25K before being hired on at UPS. 38K would have been nice!
 
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Re: Husband's job

pilotyip said:
Sorry, but that is the life you have, he entered into a contract with you and now he has to live up to that contract.

Right along with that.....you entered into the same contract, and if it was anything like mine, it had a section worded: "....for better or worse, for rich or for poor....."

It sounds like the 2 of you need to sit down and have a talk about the realisms of the industry right now and each of y'alls expections in your marriage. Print out your original post and let him read it before you start the discussion.

He's male.....he probably doesn't even know how you truly feel.

Talk with him.

Ahhhh....relationship advice on an aviation forum :eek:
 
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To Pilot's Wife (from Mrs. Freeze)

Been there, done that, girfriend. I wanted to tell you our story, because I, too, have sacrificed:

In 1989, my husband started his flight training by paying on his own, but he ran out of money and was forced to stop. At this point, I thought it was just a passing phase or a hobby. When I was 3 months pregnant with our daughter, he went out of state to flight college, but came back about two months later. He worked at a home improvement store for a few years when he told me he wanted to continue his education. I stayed in California for a year while he went to school. My daughter and I finally moved there in 1995. My husband worked at various jobs (Home improvement store salesman, warehouseperson, carpenter's assistant, plumber's assistant), while I worked steadily at an office job. He would come home and tell me he'd quit his job because it conflicted with his school schedule. I would think, "here we go again." I was the sole supporter of the family for most of that time. During that time we were on foodstamps, and when those ran out, I accepted free food from a couple of the local charities, pawned our wedding rings for $15 about once a week, and stood outside a Salvation Army shelter at 5:00 a.m. to get help with our utilities when they were cut off. I also had to take our daughter to the free clinic when she was sick. I had to learn how to support my family on next to nothing. I don't know how we survived. My husband graduated in 1997, and we moved back to California. I thought this was the beginning of better times. I found out I was pregnant. We lived with my mother and he went to work as a flight instructor. I was shocked to see his paycheck for a month's worth of instructing. At least I was working. He went to work out of state twice and then quit before the birth of our twins. He found work as an instructor in our town and we moved into a two bedroom apartment. I have bills that I owe for credit cards that I haven't paid on in eight years or more! I just didn't pay them. I had to make a choice as to which was more important, a roof over our heads and food in our bellies or a good credit rating. My husband finally has a job at a charter company, but he is still a few rungs from the top of the ladder. We bought a home last year (bad credit and all), and I still have those bills, but I will pay them when I am able to. I am so glad the flight instructing part of his ladder climb is over. This whole process has taken less time that I thought. It has been five years since he graduated. I know it sounds like a long time, but it just flew by. I just want to tell you that you are not alone. I also want to tell you DO NOT sell your home. I'm sure you know that living with family members when you have children is the worst! I will never do it again. Tell your husband that he needs to get a job (try Home Depot or KMart, anything for now) during the day, and fly after work to get his hours up. Or he can fly during the day and work at night. I don't know why he would want to buy his own airplane, but it's not a smart move. It won't make him any money. He needs to make his choices wisely, try to get his hours up, and get on a budget. It won't last forever. He just can't keep living beyond his means. He has to swallow his pride and do what he has to do for the family. Get food stamps if you have to. Hey, I looked at like this: I paid enough into the system, now it's my turn to use it! I am happy to be where we are right now. I have a home that is three times the size of the apartment we had, we own our cars, and we are both working. We're not rich by any means, but we are able to live comfortably now. My husband did a lot of growing up in the past few years, and now he is more focused on the future of the family. Yours can't just think about himself anymore, you have kids. It has to be all or nothing. I wish you well, HANG IN THERE, IT DOES GET BETTER.
 
Hello. Pilotswife,

I agree with "UPS Capt."

You husband is ambitious and is trying hard; However, I think he is also being selfish since his career seems to be more important than you and the family.

I am sorry to be so judgmental but, aviation is full of former wives!

Your husbands current experience level is very low. I have 8000 hours and lots of other experience your husband doesn't have; I am a potential competitor in the job market, in the worst economy scenario.

Many years ago, I had to leave aviation to support myself because there were no jobs. Tell your husband to be realistic, Aviation is not the place to be, NOW. He can still instruct, but he needs to realize he is not very qualified in TODAYS aviation world.

Not trying to be negative here but Vanguard's Airline Pilots are now looking for jobs; Any flying job!

What airline will be the next to dump its pilots.

Good luck.... Please don't become a former wife due to your husbands unrealistic views of his aviation career.

God Bless you and your family. We can only pray that Aviation will come back and give us all better opportunies for fulfillment.

DesertFalcon
 
Mrs. Freeze,

In my humble opinion you are a true saint. Your husband had better hang on to you. I admire your stamina, integrity and resolve. You are the true meaning of American Spirit. While I do not agree with what your husband has put you and your family through I have the utmost respect for you. As we can see from your post it is not just the pilots that are paying their dues. We all need to take a long hard look at what we put our families through. As the Klingons say "you come from an honorable house".

KlingonLRDRVR
 
It's not that dark!

This is a fascinating and in some ways inspiring thread. We all know the sacrifices that this industry puts us through, and it is up to each and every one of us to decide whether or not it is worth it.

Pilotswife, I agree with the poster who says you and your husband need to have a serious heart-to-heart about where you're going in life. He is right that the industry will pick up ... this always has been and always will be a cyclical business ... it'll go up, it'll come down. Those are the facts. And, with hard work and effort, you never know when a job will come along. I got my first corporate job with not a whole lot more time than he has right now, so it is possible ... but you have to be prepared for the long haul.

I agree with some of the previous posts ... DO NOT LET HIM BUY AN AIRPLANE! It is one of those romantic notions that will be a money pit ... insurance, maintenance, etc., will eat you alive. Your home is not only a place for your family to live, but a good long-term financial move. The airplane will swallow your dollars, but offers very little in return.

If I were you, I would encourage your husband to get a full-time non-flying job, be it white-collar or blue-collar, day shift or night. That way, he can provide for his family. He can flight instruct part-time or on the side. Your sacrifice will be in having little time with him, but the return will be that not only will he be providing financially, but he'll also (though perhaps a bit more slowly than he'd like) be working toward his aviation career. That will make him a happier person, and in the long run a better husband and father.

This is definitely the "for worse" and "for poorer" stuff they were talking about at your wedding ... but brighter days are ahead.

I'm not one to preach to people, but I have always found my faith to be comforting at the low points of my career and life. Remember, God does not call the qualified, He qualifies the called. If flying is what your husband is called to do, it will come in time.

I wish you the very best of luck. You'll find the folks on this board, all our disagreements aside, to be a remarkable source of advice and support. Take advantage of it!

R

Romans 8:28, 8:31
 
I agree with almost everything I have read on this thread. I have been in the same shoes as your husband and I feel both of your pain. I flight instructed full time for a good while and it was tough! I spent 7 days a week at the airport, some were extemely long days and all I would make would be a whoppin' 24 bucks, WOW!! I am married with a child so believe me it was tough. My wife worked as a waitress at night on the weekends so we could make ends meet. After 9/11 I thought I was done, my plans were ruined so I decided to go and get a full time job doing what I did before flying and instruct on the weekends. I was fortunate however to land a little gig flying freight part 135, and I still have the same job. I like it and am going to stick with it until things get better. Things will get better for you guys, remember no matter what you want to do, or where you want to get, there are always speedbumps in the way and other people have been there, and more will follow.

Good luck and God bless
-YODA
 
I just got back from a long all nighter from BWI to KEF and returned. The duty day is 18 hours starting at 10PM at night. I jumped on SWA and kept " trucking" just to get home. (the airline provides a hotel at BWI but I kept heading home)I jumped in being up for almost 30 hours. I got 2.0 hours of sleep and was woke up by a screaming 9 year old, just having fun. I could be in a nice hotel right now sleeping soundly, but I am here with the kids. I just went ahead and got up, I am here with them and that is something that you don't get as a pilot. There has been some dynamic advise on this board, my wife read the post and is too busy to reply. She just said two things, one don't sell the house and don't buy and airplane, and to hang in there and tell your husband not be let his passion make him selfish. Supporting the family is number one, aviation can do it but it is very tough. Get a job at an FBO so he can be around airplanes and have contacts, don't get out of the loop. This whole business is who you know and not what you know on the GA side. He is low time but God cares and God provides, just stay together and put each other and Him first.
A major airline that I worked for shut down and things were pretty messy. I got a job flying a 402 to and from MYNN for $100.00 a day to support the family. It was hard but one of the neat things was that I could take the kids along on the freight run. We had a 7 hour layover in MYNN so I took a kid a couple of time a week and spent that time with them. We snorkeled, fished, and did everything you can do with a 7 hour layover at Nassau. Those kids are all grown now and one is getting married in December. The fun times of the "hard times" are memories we as a family will cherish forever. The crazy thing about aviation is that I could be in the same situation tomorrow. Don't boast of tomorrow because you never now what is going to happen. Be safe and remember being an FA is totally diffrent than being a pilot, no comparision. But you have shown the qualities of a wonderful wife and mother, make it happen.
 
Pilotswife_

I have a different situation entirely. No wife, no kids, and it has been very tough to make a go of an aviation career in this post 9-11 environment. As an instructor, I made only half of the money and hours I had expected to make. Student starts fell like the Hindenberg. I lost my instruction job. As the economy began to contract, my voice over (commercials) side business began to fall off, and I haven't had a paying writing assignment in months. It was networking that gave me the lead to the Learjet job that I have now. The wages are meager, and about 15 thousand below industry standard. If I had a wife and kids, I'd probably be working at home depot, or doing overnight talk radio.

Don't buy the airplane. I have played around with numbers on this, and your husband is better off with an occaisional low cost rental. I recommend that he finds a part time instructing job where the owner will give him a small discout for aircraft rentals so he can add a couple of hours of cross country time each week.

His full time job should be one that puts him in touch with potential flight students. An aviation pin worn on a suit, an airplane tie, or an AOPA watch will generate interest from a variety of people. If you husband can have regular contact with those who can afford to take flight lessons, he can give them a card and get them into an airplane. Upscale sales positions may be best for this, so you will have to use your judgement based on your knowlege of your husband's skills.

This may be the best win-win situation you can have: a working husband who still gets to follow his dream, without sacrificing his first responsibility: his family.

Keep the house.
 
wow, i read some responses, not all of them so i don't know if i am repeating things. ups capt and mr. time builder(congrats on the lear job) have it right! when I was a CFI i met a girl in a different state and ended up marrying her. my $5,000 per year CFI job wasn't enough to support us, so i quit flying and got an hourly paying job at an FBO in atlanta, ga. IT PAYED THE BILLS!!
even though i didn't know when or were i would get back into the flying side of aviation. Anyway, alot of fuloughed airline guys are working at HOME DEPOT and other places, there is no loss in doing that. things will change in the future but you gotta ask yourself how you will take care of yourself in a responsible manner until aviation resumes a more pre 9-11 level.

good luck!!
 
temcgrew said:
things will change in the future but you gotta ask yourself how you will take care of yourself in a responsible manner until aviation resumes a more pre 9-11 level.

good luck!!

I appreciate your optism, but don't forget that the airline industry was in a slide prior to 9/11. UAL was bleeding, AA was having a hard time integrating TWA, business travel was way down, Midway was nearing bankruptcy, etc. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the pre-9/11 problems are the main thing holding us back at the present. My carrier has rebounded and even expanded, but we don't carry the industrys historical bread and butter pax. the business man.

good luck to the pilot, his wife, and all the rest.
regards,
8N
 
Thank you! For many words of wisdom...

Hello Again,
I just had a chance to read through all your replies and it was comforting and encouraging to see that there are others out there who have walked in my shoes. I kind of felt at times that I was being the selfish one. Since my kids have been born I have been unable to fly full time with CO. I have always had to trip trade frantically during the open window to get rid of 70% of my schedule since he was never around to watch the kids and all of you with kids know how diffucult it is to arrange childcare around a monthly bid (impossible, unless you have family take them- which mine rarely did).
I have just requested a COLA (company offered leave) with CO since they have just announced more furloughs if some of us senior FA's don't take the COLA. They are actually offering 20-17-8 and 5 month leaves. I requested a 20 month (with flight benefits and COBRA coverage). I am actually going to do something for myself! Go back to school and either get a Maters Degree or go into real estate. If he wants to fly I guess I will have to attempt to be the bread winner.
With regards to the house - I have convinced him to keep it, since it is the only investment we have right now (all 401ks IRA's and college funds are spent!)
He can CFI part time.
Again thank you all for taking the concern to respond - I guess you are all friends we just haven't yet met :-)
pilotswife

Some of you asked what my husbands credentials were here they are:
B.S. in Vocational Education (he quit teaching auto tech after 5 years)
A.S.E. Certified Auto Mechanic ( a job he has and DESPISES!)
Attended Airline Training Academy in FL
($50,000 [plus living expenses]
CFI
 
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pilot'swife:

Started in this business early 90's, met a fantastic woman and got married while I was flight instructing.
Hiring was dismal and we decided together, for me to leave flying and focus on her career as she had a much better chance of making it and making decent money(psychologist).
Well I went out got a decent job and together we had two kids, bought a gorgeous house in Southern California and life was grand. Never gave flying a second thought, until...
About a year and a half ago, with all the hiring going on we decided that I would jump back in. We rented out our house(we didn't want to sell it) and we moved back in with my folks while I started working for a freight company at a fourth of the salary I was making.
After six months I got hired by a regional on September 10, 2001 and we know what happened tghe following day.
I decided at this time that it wasn't about me, and I needed to do whats right for my family. I got back into the corporate world and were back at our house, and I'm home every night, and on weekends, and on holidays and I'm satisfied I made the right decision.
Am I happy about leaving flying? Heck no, it hurts like hell, but it was the right thing to do, my families happiness is more important than mine.
I hope your husband does what is best for the family, take care and good luck, got to go I need to take my kids to Chuck E Cheese and that's what its all about.
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Becoming a pilot and getting into the aviation industry is unlike any career path I have ever seen. It requires alot and alot is sometimes tiring and you feel like it will never end. Do I say this from experience...yes and no ... yes, as I am a student pilot, currently working toward my ratings, I talk to pilots and see what is going on and people get frustrated. I sometimes wish I had my ratings and could just go fly and make money. No in that I am not to the point of instructing, having a wife and a kid, Im only 18. Yes, one day I want to have a wife and a kid. I do know that before anything else they would come first, especially the kid. If I had to give up flying for awhile or for good Id do it in a heartbeat. I can guarantee you that your husband feels the same way. It is hard to explain the love a pilot has for flying .. the feeling I get I guess only other pilots and relate to ... it is something you have a desire to and you keep pushing and pushing to get to that goal, the seat of a airliner. It sounds to me like you and your husband have understanding parents who are willing to help out and as long as that is the case, I would support him. I dont think he would let things get too bad before pulling the plug and realizing what its causing. Stick in there, from the times you listed he is not too far from a good flying job ...GOOD LUCK!
 
Keep on Dreaming and Striving

Congrats Pilot's Wife! You have a lot going for you in that you and your spouse are both educated, AND communicating, which is half the battle, but you must share and support each others dreams if not, inevitably it will eat at both of you. Everyone offers some good points so I offer my POV since I too have faced your situation.

In late 1991 when the airlines were not hiring I had wanted to quit my good admin job and fly my lips off bumming with my reserve unit and be a standby small charter pilot. I wanted to make a beeline to the big iron! Certainly my missus could see the wisdom of my efforts after all, I was the only Pilot in the house, woohoo!

Already with a small family, my wife kindly "invited" me to have the "Big Talk," she asked some good questions, like well what is your fallback plan? Not only along the lines of what if you don't make it, (how could she think in such defeatist terms!) but the risks of a flying career riding on me staying healthy and the lack of job security(health?! Im a friggin athlete! Security/shmecurity it rarely happens. Eastern and Pan Am have been around forever, they are going to be rehiring once their finances get restructured, you'll see!) Also she wanted to know how realistic my chances were in the future and what it would take to become competitive, (Baby, its a slam dunk deal I just gotta fog up a mirror, everybody loves me can't u see that?Competitive, sheyyt the Majors will be lining up to throw me a signing bonus so lets just focus on domiciles) and where did we want to see ourselves in five years even if flying didn't work out? (Whoa, stop right there did u just call me a failure?! More like 5 months, whats this "years" attitude? O.K. left seat of a 747400, happy now? Where's the faith, Muffin? Look MY plan is Golden just sign off on it and will all get along just fine, besides, Deary ya don't understand the AIRLINE industry like Homie do. Hmmph! The Feds say there is a shortage, this pilot prepping service says there is a shortage and they KNOW the industry).

So, she had me research the history of the industry, and I soon realized that seniority means nothing if your employer closes shop or forloughs because of labor strife, a bad economy or the whim of some CEO just trying to make out like a bandit on his stock options. We had just kicked butt in the Gulf War, so certainly the post war boom was just around the corner? During this time frame TWA, Continental and America West had all filed for bankruptcy protection, pilots were forloughed, and recalls were not on the horizon. But I reasoned that such is life, there are no warranties and people are going to always fly I told her.

Quitting my job and simply hanging out at my unit trying to pick up extra days was an impossibility. There were numerous forloughed pilots who needed those days more than me. I did not quit my desk (teeth gnashing) job, in essence I became a Reserve reserve geek, still the extra missions were few. I had to shelve my "Golden Plan." My wife then quit her job so she could finish her masters on a fulltime basis. When she graduated, the airlines were still not hiring, so she then got a job I quit mine and I started law school. I kept flying with the Reserves and instead of clerking I had a civilian summer job that offered a lot of flying. Granted I was gone pretty much each summer from my family, so I had to work hard to maintain quality time with them, some months were great but most were not.

Finally, I graduated and passed the bar and started working as a shyster then a flying job came up, it offered a ton of flying but it meant being away from them for over 6 months. We decided it was worth it because it would make me competitive offer upgrades and allow me to add a lot of quality time. At this juncture we had a newborn and so we had to hire a nanny to live with my wife to help her out, since my wife was still working. I clearly remember the day I left, my oldest kid coming up to me with a picture of himself that he drew saying that I should keep it so that I wouldn't forget him. That was hard. Eventually what was 6 months worked out to 11 months. But a couple of interviews and a little over five years after the "Big Talk," our collective effort paid off.

The most important part is that we did it together and she made me understand the risk/reward models of both the short term approach and the long term approach all against a backdrop of glaring probabilities. Certainly there were times when I questioned my sanity, or hers for staying married to me, and that still hasn't stopped, ha! The naysayers will be there, so just lick your wounds and support each others dreams. Certainly reality has a way of tempering such dreams, but it still doesn't mean that a rewarding flying career is an impossiblity. In essence, invest in yourselves as you best see fit, and proceed from positions of strength. The best of luck to you and I wish you much success with your efforts.
 
Addendum

I just wanted to respond to your specific point about your husband telling you that he is doing it for you. While I cannot measure his sincerity, if it is any comfort to you, I said the same thing to my wife multiple times over the years, as we worked towards our goals, sometimes her responses were funny sometimes they weren't, but overall the funny ones exceeded the the tart ones. Hope this helps.
 
Maslow's hierarchy of human needs

Pilot's wife-

Support him in his dreams, but not at the expense of the family. Food and shelter come before "self actualization."

Stand firm. This is a two way street.

"No, you may not sell our house.

"No, you may not buy an airplane.

"Yes, I want you to attain your dreams and goals. I also have dreams and goals. Neither of us is required to give ours up in favor of the other's.

"Yes, I will support you and do all I can to see this happen. I am entitled to the same.

"Your primary responsibility is to feed, clothe and shelter your family. Now. Get a job that allows that. Now. When you can get a flying job that can accomplish that goal, take it.

"I will do all I can and make sacrifices to hasten that day, but you will need to sacrifice and do all you can to ensure your family's security until that day.

"I love you."

Use a rolling pin if necessary.

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