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Help drive a stake through Gulfstreams heart

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rtmcfi

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Please feel free to send your comments to the folks below telling then what you think of Gulfstream Airlines. Great Lakes isn't exactly the best outfit, but it is heads and shoulders over that PFT outfit. The more of theese contracts the lose out on, the less likely they will come out of bankruptcy.




http://billingsgazette.com/business...cle_ad80dcf8-59b9-5e39-9114-87c890a87510.html

The federal Essential Air Service contract awarded to Great Lakes Aviation two years ago to serve seven Eastern Montana cities expires April 30 and the Cheyenne, Wyo., company now has a rival bidder.
The U.S. Department of Transportation said Great Lakes Aviation and Gulfstream International Airlines have both submitted bids for the next two-year contract to serve Glasgow, Glendive, Havre, Lewistown, Miles City, Sidney and Wolf Point, flying passengers to Billings and Denver.
The DOT administers the EAS program, which provides federal subsidies so regional airlines can provide service to smaller U.S. cities — routes that otherwise would be unprofitable. The annual federal subsidy for the Eastern Montana routes tops $10 million a year.
For nearly three decades, Big Sky Airlines flew these routes, but financial troubles grounded the planes in March 2008 and killed off the airline. The cities went nearly a year with no regular commercial flights until Great Lakes took over the contract.
The public is asked to submit any comments by Wednesday to Dennis J. DeVany, chief, Essential Air Service Division, X-52, Office of Aviation Analysis at the U.S. Department of Transportation or to call Brian Swanson at 202-366-5392.
 
Hey,
I have flown with many ex-Lakers, and they were some of the best sticks out there, right up there with FreightDoggies. More power to them!
PBR
 
...so technically if you put them out of business you'd be putting paid employees out of work.


All so their PFT side won't have any more lift to sell classes for?


You really think they won't just do it somewhere else?


How about spreading the word about PFT-ing to every university/flight school/whore house/Republican Bathouse/Skid Row alley/Church? I think that would do MUCH more for your cause.
 
The left seats are paid, while the right seats are rented out. Sounds like a wash to me.

ANY loss of a job shouldn't be considered a "wash"...


How long has it been since your last furlough?
 
ANY loss of a job shouldn't be considered a "wash"...

You're missing my point. The capacity wouldn't go away -- another airline (say, Great Lakes) would fly it. But you're right, it wouldn't be a wash. Gulfstream going under would be a net gain of jobs! Instead of a paid pilot and a rent-by-the-hour FO, any other airline would be paying two pilots.

Gulfstream is a cancer on this business. They have FOs renting out what should be a paid position... They've been found falsifying duty and rest time records... they fired a captain for refusing a multiple-MEL situation as unsafe... they were caught putting car parts on the airplanes!

This is a horrible company. It needs to die.
 
This is a horrible company. It needs to die.

Word!

The only thing I'm getting at is the actual employed pilots. Who grieves for them?

(The hippie liberal in me is coming out strong this evening, my apologies)
 
Worst FO's I've flown with are ex-PFT Gulfstream people. On top of everything they have big attituded problems. What a sham outfit that place is!!!
 
...so technically if you put them out of business you'd be putting paid employees out of work.


All so their PFT side won't have any more lift to sell classes for?


You really think they won't just do it somewhere else?


How about spreading the word about PFT-ing to every university/flight school/whore house/Republican Bathouse/Skid Row alley/Church? I think that would do MUCH more for your cause.


PFT will never die. There are plenty of 30+ yearolds coming out of the military or second career types that need a jumpstart. All the gulfstream folks that I come across fit this bill. I've heard some stories of people going from gulfstream to the 737 or 747 in like 5 years time.
 
PFT will never die. There are plenty of 30+ year olds coming out of the military or second career types that need a jump start. All the gulfstream folks that I come across fit this bill. I've heard some stories of people going from gulfstream to the 737 or 747 in like 5 years time.


Military guys going to Gulfstream???? I call BS on that one. The only ones that most often fit the Gulfstream PFT profile are late career changers or kids whose mommies or daddies work(ed) for CAL. Are you one of those chowds who came from Gulfstream, and now is trying to defend them?

PS. I never ever PFTd
 
Military guys going to Gulfstream???? I call BS on that one. The only ones that most often fit the Gulfstream PFT profile are late career changers or kids whose mommies or daddies work(ed) for CAL. Are you one of those chowds who came from Gulfstream, and now is trying to defend them?

PS. I never ever PFTd

He didn't say that military pilots were going to PFT outfits. There are plenty of people who enlist and serve 4-10 years never touching an airplane and end up flying in the civilian world.
 
Word!

The only thing I'm getting at is the actual employed pilots. Who grieves for them?

(The hippie liberal in me is coming out strong this evening, my apologies)

Didn't the majority of their "paid" (and I use that term loosely) pilots come from the PFT side? ********************'em.
 
Measa sux

...but Gulfstream comes in right after and sucks up any spilled residual goo. Right off the truck stop toilet seat and lip of the bowl too.
 
Its official gulfstream lives!!!!!

Victory Park Capital wins the auction

Dang just when we thougt all of aviation would be saved and never have another accident because GIA would be no more
 

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