Hello Flint..

[Ty Webb]

Willie . . . . Your buddy Waylon sang it best- "Whatever gets you through the night".

 

[GuppyWN]

When Delta or other legacies get those rates back, and we will, what will you say then? I know what you will say: "Grreat, another Grand Island and Lakeland 3 day trip. Boring! I sure wish I could GO somewhere, not just go to nowhere.". You are closer to that than you think. Higher pay for the moment is the only thing you have now. Your culture has been dying since you guys treated the Airtran guys poorly in your merger. Too bad.


OYS

You have fuselage envy my friend.

Gup

 

[On Your Six]

You have fuselage envy my friend.

Gup

No, I just don't. I agree with others that I will have your pay scale sooner than later, and variety in my flying to keep me interested and enthusiastic throughout my new flying career with my new airline. When the payscales are equal, you will be the one with envy, not me. Your bragging will stop almost immediately.


OYS

 

[dicko]

No, I just don't. I agree with others that I will have your pay scale sooner than later, and variety in my flying to keep me interested and enthusiastic throughout my new flying career with my new airline. When the payscales are equal, you will be the one with envy, not me. Your bragging will stop almost immediately.


OYS

I hope your payscales do go up astronomically.

Unfortunately it seems DALPA is already managing the expectations of DAL pilots. They have said that SWA payscales are not a fair comparator due to the different type of operation.

Your Union and company will use those differences between the two airlines that you are proud of, to make sure you aren't paid as well.

 

[Wesb737fo]

You are correct about AT pilots not merging with SWA management. You are being acquired by SWA management and merged with Guadalupe holdings.

The only pilots that have EARNED SWA seniority are those with a SWA date of hire. Everyone else will have their seniority negotiated depending on what they bring to the table.

zzzzzzzzzzz....... did somebody say something new, remotely useful or intelligent? nevermind... I forgot this was Flight Info... back to sleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[On Your Six]

I hope your payscales do go up astronomically.

Unfortunately it seems DALPA is already managing the expectations of DAL pilots. They have said that SWA payscales are not a fair comparator due to the different type of operation.

Your Union and company will use those differences between the two airlines that you are proud of, to make sure you aren't paid as well.

Incorrect. The common strategy is to pay our 737 pilots your rates, and bigger planes get more. Thanks to Airtran pilots also getting those rates via a merger, that helps our cause. Rumor has it Delta agreed to those payrates already, inexhange for 2 more years on the current contract plus NO other changes, which Dalpa supposedly didn't like. Watching the Airtran guys get the huge raise will help our cause obviously.


OYS

 

[General Lee]

Incorrect. The common strategy is to pay our 737 pilots your rates, and bigger planes get more. Thanks to Airtran pilots also getting those rates via a merger, that helps our cause. Rumor has it Delta agreed to those payrates already, inexhange for 2 more years on the current contract plus NO other changes, which Dalpa supposedly didn't like. Watching the Airtran guys get the huge raise will help our cause obviously.


OYS

I have heard the same rumors. We'll see....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dicko]

Incorrect. The common strategy is to pay our 737 pilots your rates, and bigger planes get more. Thanks to Airtran pilots also getting those rates via a merger, that helps our cause. Rumor has it Delta agreed to those payrates already, inexhange for 2 more years on the current contract plus NO other changes, which Dalpa supposedly didn't like. Watching the Airtran guys get the huge raise will help our cause obviously.


OYS

I hope you're correct. ALPA does need a win, especially when it comes to DAL.

ALPA only managed a 3% payraise and a measly couple of grand bonus for Fedex pilots. Only 57% of Fedex pilots voted for the TA. ALPA national sold it like a Tijuana hooker. A sad sight for a company that made billions.

SWAPA pilots flying 737's make more that a DAL 747 Captain. Extraplolate that payraise across the DAL pilot group ..... It's not going to happen with ALPA's team of "professional negotiators". Look at their record over the past decade. It doesn't matter if your company makes billions (Fedex) or you are on strike (Spirit). ALPA just wants a TA signed and they cant even spell 'leverage'.

Just to be clear; I don't work for SWA.

Cheers

 

[SWA/FO]

Thanks to Airtran pilots also getting those rates via a merger

merger? Thanks to AirTran? How about Thanks to SWA and SWAPA. Can you say that?

 

[General Lee]

I hope you're correct. ALPA does need a win, especially when it comes to DAL.

ALPA only managed a 3% payraise and a measly couple of grand bonus for Fedex pilots. Only 57% of Fedex pilots voted for the TA. ALPA national sold it like a Tijuana hooker. A sad sight for a company that made billions.

SWAPA pilots flying 737's make more that a DAL 747 Captain. Extraplolate that payraise across the DAL pilot group ..... It's not going to happen with ALPA's team of "professional negotiators". Look at their record over the past decade. It doesn't matter if your company makes billions (Fedex) or you are on strike (Spirit). ALPA just wants a TA signed and they cant even spell 'leverage'.

Just to be clear; I don't work for SWA.

Cheers

I actually know the lead negotiator for Delta, and he is very smart and sharp. He deals with the company now on pilot issues, and is always prepared.

I think we all know what happened to our pay and other benefits after BK. We all know SWA has better rates, and as others have said on this board it is great the Citrus guys will get their pay too, which will take away the stance from our company "we can't pay you that because Airtran only makes this amount....." They can't use that card anymore.

Obviously a lot of negotiating depends on what the economic climate is like during that time period. We negotiated for our joint contract with NWA during $130 oil, and that didn't help much. Now we are profitable, are hedged better than most, and still have awhile until our contract is ammendable. Our CEO said recently that he still expects a small profit for this year, and that is a good thing going into negotiations later this year.


Bye Bye---General Lee