Hawaiian HNL-JFK flights.

[Jim]

Welcome to JFnK Dan. Can I get a ride? Do you put freeloaders in 1st?

See you guys there and welcome to he!!.

If there are 1st class seats available we do.

 

[Dan Roman]

Welcome to JFnK Dan. Can I get a ride? Do you put freeloaders in 1st?

See you guys there and welcome to he!!.

Yes and yes, although first tends to fill up and can be hard to get even when non reving with 25 yrs seniority. We do carry as many jumpseaters as we can fit in the back and cockpit, so we'll find a seat for you somewhere.
I did a stint at People Express, flew electra frieghters out of JFK and flew for Henson between JFK and BWI, so it will bring back old memories!

 

[Whataburger]

That plane will be used for new OGG to SJC and OGG to OAK service.
Which in turn is good for everyone.

Getting ready for the Red Belly Money Makers to show up?

 

[General Lee]

Getting ready for the Red Belly Money Makers to show up?

Not this quarter........ (Oh, SNAP!)

And, nobody can beat Hawaiian at the Hawaii game. For most Legacies, Hawaii is not profitable from the Mainland, since frequent flyers take a lot of the better seats. Hawaii to Japan has been lucrative lately because the Yen has been particularly strong, and Japanese wanting to get married usually go to Hawaii for their honeymoon if they save up enough money, Guam/Saipan if they did not.

Hawaiian also has intra-Hawaii service locked up, with Mesa Go! not really a factor. I think SWA's entrance in 2020 might be interesting, and temporary.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dan Roman]

Not this quarter........ (Oh, SNAP!)

And, nobody can beat Hawaiian at the Hawaii game. For most Legacies, Hawaii is not profitable from the Mainland, since frequent flyers take a lot of the better seats. Hawaii to Japan has been lucrative lately because the Yen has been particularly strong, and Japanese wanting to get married usually go to Hawaii for their honeymoon if they save up enough money, Guam/Saipan if they did not.

Hawaiian also has intra-Hawaii service locked up, with Mesa Go! not really a factor. I think SWA's entrance in 2020 might be interesting, and temporary.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Thanks for the kind words General, Hawaiian, as you said, is very good at filling up airplanes with people that want to go to Hawaii. That's our forte' if you will. You guys going to FUK as we are will be good for both carriers. The extra seats in the market will actually boost the market. Sounds odd that the competition is good, but it's like our SYD service, when we went to daily flights the load factors jumped. Extra flights to a certain extent heat up a market on a lot of these Intl routes. We do much better to SYD now that we are daily and JetStar AND Qantas started SYD to HNL.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Fubi, you can't control yourself dude, you just have to throw stones at anyone Alaska competes with??

Wow, just a little thin skinned, eh, Dan? I'm not throwing stones, just stating facts.

Are you or are you not cancelling the PDX-OGG service?
Are you or are you not putting in SJC-OGG and OAK-OGG to compete with Alaska?

Its a simple question, really. Don't get so upset. I guess you're tired of reading the poster in the HAL gates in OAK advertising nonstop OAK-OGG when all you can offer customers is OAK-HNL-OGG.

No problem, Dan.

You're making a ton of money with the HNL-Far East service. More power to you.

Don't fall into the SWA trap. Just because someone points out some facts, doesn't mean they're throwing stones OR hating on you. In fact, I'm all about the rumor that AS will buy HAL.

We'll even give you no fenced DoH. That means your widebody Capts will get a pay raise. Let's do it!

 

[Dan Roman]

Getting ready for the Red Belly Money Makers to show up?

That thought occurred to me, but I really don't think it's preemptive. I saw an analyst report talking about SWA coming to Hawaii and it specifically said they would create their own market with their own feed and wouldn't effect Hawaiian. It's a big market, we are well established and have an obvious marketing advantage.
Keep in mind that the seat mile costs are higher on a 737 800 than a 767 or A330 and if your going to sell yourselves as the airline that doesn't charge for bags you could have some pretty serious problems flying a 737 to Hawaii on a lot of routes.
We have a lot of places we can go to and fill up 767's and A330's, there is plenty of room for you in the market with your own route system feeding you.
As a niche carrier we also have the advantage of fewer frequent fliers as part of the load factor

 

[Dan Roman]

Wow, just a little thin skinned, eh, Dan? I'm not throwing stones, just stating facts.

Are you or are you not cancelling the PDX-OGG service?
Are you or are you not putting in SJC-OGG and OAK-OGG to compete with Alaska?

Its a simple question, really. Don't get so upset. I guess you're tired of reading the poster in the HAL gates in OAK advertising nonstop OAK-OGG when all you can offer customers is OAK-HNL-OGG.

No problem, Dan.

You're making a ton of money with the HNL-Far East service. More power to you.

Don't fall into the SWA trap. Just because someone points out some facts, doesn't mean they're throwing stones OR hating on you. In fact, I'm all about the rumor that AS will buy HAL.

We'll even give you no fenced DoH. That means your widebody Capts will get a pay raise. Let's do it!

Fair enough, we are actually making money in more than the Asia flying, we make a lot more money filling up a wide body to Hawaii than a 737 would and you guys seem to be happy coming to Hawaii. Although some say your Hawaii operation is basically a break even operation that is in place for your frequent fliers. I really don't know and you don't either.

Yes we are dropping PDX OGG. We will now fill up a 767 (soon to be Airbus? not sure) to HNL with all high yield tickets and take them to OGG on a 717. I don't second guess the bean counters and the people responsable for yield management.

Fubi, with all due respect your posts attacking SWA have, in my mind, seem to indicate a pretty confrontational attitude on your part. It carried over.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Not necessarily. Just tweaking the egotists in Canyon Blue. Frankly, I think the world of HAL and LOVE the rumor of an AS/HAL merger.

Just put a parka on the Hawaiian girl and you have the PERFECT tail logo!

 

[Dan Roman]

Not necessarily. Just tweaking the egotists in Canyon Blue. Frankly, I think the world of HAL and LOVE the rumor of an AS/HAL merger.

Just put a parka on the Hawaiian girl and you have the PERFECT tail logo!

I hate to be the bearer (sp?) of bad news but that hot looking girl on the tail of our airplanes was kinda of turned off by that gnarly looking guy on yours!

All kidding aside, Hawaiians worth is really as Hawaiian Air serving Hawaii. We would lose most off what makes us successful if that went away.