Hawaiian and Aloha trying to merge again

[corky]

Looks like they're trying to merge again. Just heard Aloha plans to pick up Hawaiians 717 fleet and add a couple more. I wonder if they're going to make Aloha the inter island carrier and Hawaiian the long haul carrier??

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

SOMEBODY IS SMOKING PAKALOLO

Source please?

 

[Midnight Mike]

This sounds like rumor control, I seriously doubt you will see something like this in the Wall Street Journal.

Thanks for sharing the rumor, some of us appreciate it..

 

[corky]

Source is Boeing. Aloha Flight ops called requesting 717 FCOMS and stated they were considering picking up Hawaiians fleet.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Hmmm, now that makes it a bit juicier. I've heard this theory tossed out there a few times, some on this board also. It sure doesn't seem to make much sense, though. AQ is finally in a position to make a little money and I doubt they would want to take on the kind of debt HAL has by merging. I do know that AQ needs to replace the aging -200 fleet, but the 717 doesn't seem a very likely candidate for them. One person I know tossed out a theory I like: AQ buys more -700's and rotates them between interisland and long-haul, thus avoiding having an airframe stuck in the interisland market getting cycled to death. Who knows? It's sure to get more interesting, though.

 

[Midnight Mike]

737-700 is a little big for inter-island flying, which is probably why Aloha can kept the 737-200's.

 

[CaptBuzzard]

From my understanding, the 700's are long range, but they are a short fuselage. Not sure what the capacity is. Sizewise they would be good for interisland and also good for long-haul.

 

[AQ PILOT]

More Sources???

Corky....how did you get the info from Boeing that Aloha was looking at their A/C? It seems kinda hard to believe that Boeing would be letting that kind of info out to the general public. Keep us informed of any info you get though!

 

[HAL]

Most definitely on pakalolo

Speaking from the other side of the fence, I'd say it is just a rumor, nothing more. C'mon, why in the world would AQ get a bunch of 717 manuals? If you were serious about getting our planes, wouldn't it make more sense to get financial information, maintenance information, and overall operation information before picking up some FCOM's? Do you really think Boeing would just ship the planes across the tarmac if they pulled them from us?

Today we just signed a lease agreement with Ansett, (and with ILFC last week) which means at least 11 767's are safe and ours. With two of the three lessors signed, I'd guess the pressure is really on with Boeing to sign or lose our business for the rest of the fleet.

Corky, Boeing is locked up tighter than my first girlfriend's legs. I live in Seattle, and know how security conscious they are about things like that. It also sounds like a perfect rumor for an AQ guy to start in order to dump all over us in retaliation for the failed merger. Yes, we did our share of gloating just after Brenneman & co. pulled out, and now the tables are turned. However, remember that this is a very cyclical business. If we get out of Ch 11 intact, we'll have a very low employee cost structure, low aircraft lease rates, and NO government backed loan to pay back.

Yeah, it's a lot of fun to pass on rumors about the guys in trouble. Just remember that when they come back to bite.

HAL

 

[AQ PILOT]

C'mon now HAL

C'mon now HAL, be fair! That was a cheap shot about an Aloha guy being the perfect one to start a rumor like this. Believe me, none of us are sore that the merger failed over here. Most of us feel terrible for your pilots right now. We think what is happening to you guys is criminal. I hope you understand that its your management that is doing this to you, not Aloha. Adams is not good for your well being!

It sure seems like everyone over there has it out for us Aloha guys. We wish you the best but give us a break!

My read on the 717 deal is that AQ wouldn't touch the airplanes. They didn't work for HAL and their wages and working conditions are about as cheap as they get. Boeing surely doesn't have to deal with Adams and HAL for the airline's business either. The 717's can find other homes and the 767's are going to be good long term leaseable aircraft. Granted short term its gonna hurt Boeing a bit, but I don't see it being a true earth shattering deal for Boeing.

I think HUGH might be on to something, I know that we have already been integrating the -700's in to our interisland flying when need be. The birds are cheap right now. We gonna buy a few more? Wish I knew! I know Aloha is slated to have a banner year and at least that makes me feel good. Keep the info coming corky, and if you are an Aloha pilot, you're a terrible person for wanting to dump on HA!

 

[corky]

AQ, HAL,...just sharing what I heard. If they're requesting manuals they've already asked about finance, maintenance, etc. They're asking about training too so a potential deal is well under way. Like any business deal, its not done until they sign on the dotted line. Who knows the reason but I've been led to believe it's part of another merger attempt.

 

[got_jumpseat?]

All I have heard from my friends at AQ was that they still have open channels with Brenneman and anything is possible. A new merger? I seriously doubt it, put it this way I would bet money on it never happening.

My friends father is a 717 instructor for Boeing I shook that tree this morning and I will tell all if anything falls out. I will call a few buddies at AQ too. And I know exactly who can tell me whats reaallly happening.

 

[HAL]

Re: C'mon now HAL

My read on the 717 deal is that AQ wouldn't touch the airplanes. They didn't work for HAL and their wages and working conditions are about as cheap as they get.

The truth is that the 717's made money last winter, and will continue to do so through the summer too. The only problems we've had with them are some corrosion issues, and Boeing is handling that as we speak. It's a good, low-cost plane and perfect for the interisland market. The guys here love them, and so does our management.

I'm certainly not trying to dump on AQ guys - I know enough of you to understand your side of the fence too.

HAL

 

[Freight Dog]

If anything, we're probably looking for some -200's in the mainland in case Hawaiian goes into liquidation. Anything else wouldn't fit the pattern....

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In other news...





http://www.alohaairlines.com/aq/pre...052417921,6460,



ALOHA TO OFFER DAILY SERVICE FROM RENO

HONOLULU— Aloha Airlines will begin daily service between Reno and Honolulu in July, making the picturesque northern Nevada resort city the eighth North American destination to enjoy Aloha’s award-winning service to Hawaii.

Aloha’s service from Honolulu to Reno will begin on July 1, 2003, pending final government approval. The inaugural flight from Reno to Honolulu will depart early the next morning and stop in Orange County, California.

Aloha already serves Las Vegas, Nevada, with two flights a day to the Islands, and now becomes the only airline to offer same-plane service between Reno and the 50th State.

“We are thrilled to be flying to Reno, making it easier and more enjoyable for travelers from there to visit Hawaii, and adding an exciting new destination for Hawaii’s people to explore,” said Glenn R. Zander, Aloha President and Chief Executive Officer.
To launch the new service, Aloha will offer an introductory fare of $399 round-trip, with certain fees and charges additional, for travel from July 1 through July 30, 2003. Seats at the introductory fare are limited and some restrictions apply.

The Reno-Lake Tahoe area is renowned for its spectacular natural beauty. With 20,000 guest rooms, the area attracts millions of visitors each year, who come for gaming, entertainment and outdoor adventure.

Flight 481 will depart from Reno/Tahoe International Airport at 7 a.m., arriving at Orange County’s John Wayne Airport in the heart of Southern California, at 8:20 a.m. The continuation of Flight 481 will depart Orange County at 9:10 a.m., and arrive at Honolulu’s traveler-friendly Interisland Terminal at 11:53 a.m. Flight 482 will depart daily from Honolulu at 12:25 p.m. and arrive at Orange County at 8:41 p.m. The flight continues on to Reno, departing at 9:25 p.m. and arriving at 10:45 p.m.

Aloha brought a new dimension to flying between the West Coast and Hawaii when it launched its first transpacific service on February 14, 2000, aboard quiet, comfortable Next Generation Boeing 737-700 aircraft.

While most airlines are cutting back on meals and amenities, Aloha continues to provide an enhanced level of inflight service.
Passsengers in First Class and Coach will savor Hawaii Regional Cuisine created by acclaimed Master Chef Alan Wong, whose Honolulu restaurant has been rated among the Top 10 restaurants in the nation by Gourmet magazine. Aloha’s Coach service also offers passengers a complimentary mai-tai cocktail, free headsets, movies and audio entertainment and warm, fresh-baked cookies with a glass of milk.
Aloha’s outstanding inflight service was recently recognized as the first place Diamond Award winner in international competition conducted by Onboard Services magazine.

Aloha also serves Oakland, Burbank and Sacramento, California; Phoenix, Arizona; and Vancouver, Canada. Aloha’s destinations in the Pacific include Rarotonga in the Cook Islands and Majuro in the Marshall Islands.

Aloha’s sister airline, Island Air, provides daily service between Honolulu and smaller airports on Maui, Molokai and Lanai. For more information, visit Aloha’s Web site on the Internet at www.alohaairlines.com.

 

[HAL]

Freight Dog,
Yes, that sounds more likely than the 717 rumor. For a lot of people's sake, lets hope none of the dire predictions come true, us furloughees return soon, and we can all enjoy life again.

P.S. So who do I send that resume to at AQ anyway?

 

[got_jumpseat?]

Freight Dog,
Yes, that sounds more likely than the 717 rumor. For a lot of people's sake, lets hope none of the dire predictions come true, us furloughees return soon, and we can all enjoy life again.

P.S. So who do I send that resume to at AQ anyway?

My friends dad who is one of a few 717 instructors at Boeing was giddy with this rumor. He knew nothing of it. He thought it was hilarious. So, *IF* AQ did buy some 717 manuals it was probably out of sheer curiosity and nothing else yet or ever.

My other friend at AQ who truly knows all says he thinks HAL will totally make it out of this, lean and cometitive and able to kick AQ's ass all over Hawaii. Then again it is very possible they zig when they are supposed to zag and they drop the (now very slippery) ball and disappear overnight.

Bottom line I think the chance we see 717's at AQ or any kind of merger are slim to what the heck are you smoking?

 

[got_jumpseat?]

This mornings Hon advertiser says;...

Attorney Brett Miller said the committee has received calls from three investors who said they are interested in acquiring or investing in Hawaiian Airlines, but only if John Adams, and companies he manages — Smith Management and Airline Investors Partnership — "are removed from the scene."

That could explain a few things eh?

 

[islandhopper]

I hope Hawaiian makes it through this because I would rather have an ALPA carrier to compete with interisland than some non-union start up or worse yet an RJ operator this time around.

 

[Sleepyhead]

Anyone have any info on when the next interviews and classes will be at Aloha?

 

[Freight Dog]

Heard something about June interviews for July class... but nothing "official"

 

[islandhopper]

Heard something about June interviews for July class... but nothing "official"

aren't there a few in a "pool" as well? I have heard AQ normally doesn't pool so there will probably be another class soon.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I know of at least two guys in the "pool" from WP.

 

[Freight Dog]

Arent you sposed to be studying Hopper?