Hawaii in a "X"?

[NW Flyer]

We've flown a CL30 from KSUN to Hawaii no problem. Only problem with the plane is the waiting list to get one.

You are correct sir. Oh, and also the fact that that waiting list means the price is about 1.5 mil inflated... And then there is the fabled Bombardier product support... But, I digress. The 300 is off the table for us too.

 

[G100driver]

Disregard my post on corp side

 

[CE750Driver]

I have flown the X from SEA to PHKO for NJA a few times. Speed must be brought down to .82 - .84 so there is no wet footprint, but it will do it. At some points in the winter when the winds go much over 100 knots on the nose, you cant get there without a wet footprint, and at least at NJA, that means you dont go.

As a matter of fact, even from SFO, there is no way to go Max Cruise and have a dry footprint. If anyone says they have done it, they are ignorant to what a dry footprint is. PM me it you have any questions.

 

[NJANJIFLEXFLOP]

I am certainly not a X guy but your trip to HI in the X might not be such a stretch when they do the winglets. Not so sure how its going to look though.

I just saw this on AIN.
http://ain.gcnpublishing.com/conten...ts-on-citation-x/?no_cache=1&cHash=bd5393ef80

Good Luck

 

[NW Flyer]

I was reading about that earlier today. Interesting stuff! Funny that they are just now getting serious about winglets for a plane that has been around for that long.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I was reading about that earlier today. Interesting stuff! Funny that they are just now getting serious about winglets for a plane that has been around for that long.

You mean like the winglets for the B-727?






http://www.airliners.net/open.file?...FP&photo_nr=3&prev_id=1164289&next_id=1137252

 

[NW Flyer]

You would have a point there...

 

[FishHunter]

I have flown the X from SEA to PHKO for NJA a few times. Speed must be brought down to .82 - .84 so there is no wet footprint, but it will do it. At some points in the winter when the winds go much over 100 knots on the nose, you cant get there without a wet footprint, and at least at NJA, that means you dont go.

As a matter of fact, even from SFO, there is no way to go Max Cruise and have a dry footprint. If anyone says they have done it, they are ignorant to what a dry footprint is. PM me it you have any questions.

What he said.

LRC .82, Initial altitude of FL430.

The wet footprint issue in the X is due to pressurization issues. A general rule I use is if you have winds 100+ at altitude and 50 at 15k, you can make it dry but you land nearly dry (it is an emergency, so I'll consider that acceptable). That's leaving with eight pax, lots of bags, 12200lbs of fuel, 36,100lb take off. Decrease people/bags, add 800lbs of fuel and your that much better off. That is the worst case scenario that I've found in the X. You can't go out there at max cruise and not have a wet footprint though.

Can't beat it for trip times. I've make PHOG-KSBP in 3hr 50min. Personal record.

 

[earl]

What is a wet/dry footprint?

earl

 

[RNObased]

What is a wet/dry footprint?

earl

Wet you're swimming, dry you're walking.