Have you ever tried to jumpseat?

[commuterguy]

I'm guessing not, but was curious if any frac pilot has ever tried to jumpseat on any of the carriers, and if so how did it go? I know when I was a 121 Captain I had some 135 guys jump in a cabin seat. My philosophy was if they can get past the gate agent they can get past me. Any experience would be greatly appreciated!

 

[mesaserf]

If you are 135/121 you are welcome on any Mesa flight, CASS of course for FD jump.

 

[BentOver]

I think Jetblue may take JS'ers also.... And maybe Commutair?

 

[gunfyter]

Before 911 I did once a week. SWA was my ride to Dallas. But I have not since then.

 

[OPECJet]

Never carried any frac jumpseater when I was at the airlines, and never tried it when I was at NJA. We couldn't reciprocate, so I wasn't going to try to bum a ride.

 

[The Kman]

It would be pretty stupid for a fractional pilot to try and jumpseat on a 121 scheduled airline. As soon as the agent scans the passport and sees they are not in cass it is a done deal. No CASS, No JS!

 

[OPECJet]

It would be pretty stupid for a fractional pilot to try and jumpseat on a 121 scheduled airline. As soon as the agent scans the passport and sees they are not in cass it is a done deal. No CASS, No JS!

No cockpit jumpseat. Cabin j/s doesn't require CASS. Good luck trying to convince the gate agent though.

 

[wacoflyr]

More to the point, we are in a separate industry. Our companies fly us to and from aircraft, for profit.(Okay, easy now.) If we jumpseat, the airlines lose revenue that they have every right to expect to earn. If we get caught doing this, the we run the risk of being accused of theft of services, or something similar. We don't work for the airlines. We are not part of CASS. Just make your company pay for the ticket. Works every time.

 

[kman]

More to the point, we are in a separate industry. Our companies fly us to and from aircraft, for profit.(Okay, easy now.) If we jumpseat, the airlines lose revenue that they have every right to expect to earn. If we get caught doing this, the we run the risk of being accused of theft of services, or something similar. We don't work for the airlines. We are not part of CASS. Just make your company pay for the ticket. Works every time.

Do you really think ANY airline will let any cabin jumpseater take a seat over a paying pax? How would any airline lose any revenue (besides the tiny amount of extra fuel to carry you) from carrying any jumpseater?

IF your talking about js to get to a company aircraft, thats a HUGE no no.

Also many airlines still take 135 jumpseaters(cabin only). I have no problem jumpseating, 10-11 times a year as a frac pilot. Just be polite, and always have a back up plan.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Why do you guys want to pretend you're an airline pilot? Why should you be extended a benefit you'll never be able to reciprocate?

 

[AftCG182]

Why do you guys want to pretend you're an airline pilot? Why should you be extended a benefit you'll never be able to reciprocate?

We don't want to pretend that we're airline pilots, you arrogant pr1ck. Many of us are refugees from the 121 circus and wouldn't ever go back.

I would never wish space-available travel on my worst enemy. (glasspilot, my esteemed co-worker disagrees, I suppose he'll be chiming in soon).

Enjoy the countless hours of bordom sitting around the commercial terminal, hoping your seniority will allow you to bum a free ride on your company's (or some other company's) aircraft.

I've got a question for ya. You ask why we pretend to be airline pilots. I'd like to ask why you pretend the metal tube you're flying is yours and not the property of the company who's logo is painted outside. Giving a fellow pilot a ride is a professional courtesy. Nothing more.

Get over yourself. If you airline guys had any idea how good things are in the 91k world, there wouldn't be anyone left to fly those god-awful regional jets. I make the assumption that you're at a regional based on your initial statement. No self-respecting professional at a major would ever type such a thing.

Enjoy your consecutive 8 hour minumum rest nights, big guy.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

We don't want to pretend that we're airline pilots, you arrogant pr1ck. Many of us are refugees from the 121 circus and wouldn't ever go back.

I would never wish space-available travel on my worst enemy. (glasspilot, my esteemed co-worker disagrees, I suppose he'll be chiming in soon).

Enjoy the countless hours of bordom sitting around the commercial terminal, hoping your seniority will allow you to bum a free ride on your company's (or some other company's) aircraft.

I've got a question for ya. You ask why we pretend to be airline pilots. I'd like to ask why you pretend the metal tube you're flying is yours and not the property of the company who's logo is painted outside. Giving a fellow pilot a ride is a professional courtesy. Nothing more.

Get over yourself. If you airline guys had any idea how good things are in the 91k world, there wouldn't be anyone left to fly those god-awful regional jets. I make the assumption that you're at a regional based on your initial statement. No self-respecting professional at a major would ever type such a thing.

Enjoy your consecutive 8 hour minumum rest nights, big guy.

Hold on there Tex. I think you're being a bit sensitive. I'm not suggesting one group is superior to the other. I spent 4 years in the fractional/91k/corporate world after getting furloughed from a legacy, and I agree with you that there are Fractional jobs that are superior to a lot of airline jobs. My point was that while I was furloughed and flying in the fractional world, I didn't harbor the illusion that I should be jumpseating around like an airline pilot or going through the airline crew lines at the airport. And now that I'm back at the airlines, I don't go to the FBO and eat your cookies or collect your steak bucks.

In my opinion, you should be able to reciprocate to Jumpseat. I don't know why you'd want to do it anyway. You guys have a much better deal riding around on company paid ticket or using your massive frequent flyer accounts.

 

[AftCG182]

Hold on there Tex. My point was that while I was furloughed and flying in the fractional world, I didn't harbor the illusion that I should be jumpseating around like an airline pilot or going through the airline crew lines at the airport. And now that I'm back at the airlines, I don't go to the FBO and eat your cookies or collect your steak bucks.

In my opinion, you should be able to reciprocate to Jumpseat. I don't know why you'd want to do it anyway. You guys have a much better deal riding around on company paid ticket or using your massive frequent flyer accounts.

Thanks for acknowledging my Texas heritage. Dallas born and bred.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the issue of crew line usage. Every once in a while I'm forced to take an airline flight during the middle of my work-week. On a bad week, sometimes multiple airlining. It's tolerable, thanks to the use of the crew line. I can't even imagine having to airline from one place to another several times after having to stand in the dreaded TSA line.

BTW, you airline guys are always welcome to stop by the FBO to check out the hottie behind the desk and have a cookie!

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

I'm with AftCG182 on this. For you Dallas/Fort Worth folks, feel free to stop by the next Love Field Pilots Association meeting. After all, we are the LFPA not the Love Field Airline Pilots Association or the Love Field Corporate Pilots Association.

 

[eagle06]

I have jumpseated while on vacation (within the hawaiian islands) as a frax crewmember. I didnt have to do anything other than be pleasant and politely ask if there was room in the back for a non-cass 135 guy to grab a ride. Agents and pilots seemed happy to have me along..

 

[V1 Rotate]

To say that we (91k) folks can't return the favor isn't entirely true. Recently, I carried a friend from Comair from CVG-St. Louis Spirit. All it took was for him to fill out some waiver form that dispatch faxed over and off we went. Of course, it does have to be a repo flight.

 

[kman]

I don't go to the FBO and eat your cookies or collect your steak bucks. .

I have seen at least 20 different 121 guys hanging out in FBO lounges in the last 6 years working for a for frac. Point is, who cares as long as they are a profressional and don't take up a spot needed by somebody else?

 

[waka]

To say that we (91k) folks can't return the favor isn't entirely true. Recently, I carried a friend from Comair from CVG-St. Louis Spirit. All it took was for him to fill out some waiver form that dispatch faxed over and off we went. Of course, it does have to be a repo flight.

Back in my Frac days, we took a 121 guy from HPN to IND and he got to graze off of the untouched pax catering (crudites, cheese tray and shrimp cocktail) from the previous leg.....with a private jet cabin to himself, probably the best "jumpseat" he ever had. Granted, because of the lack of a schedule, it isn't normal. However, I am sure that, given the opportunity, a Frac crew would be happy to give a ride to another professional pilot.

In the right place, TEB, HPN, SDL, DAL, PBI, LAS, etc, if a 121 pilot needs a ride, they have a measurable chance at finding a crew doing a positioning leg.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

To say that we (91k) folks can't return the favor isn't entirely true.\ .

Only 99% true...........

 

[asaflyer]

Is there any way to find out if there are any scheduled repo's planned within a day or two at a certain field? Just curious. BTW, we are all pilots regardless of who we work for and each industry has it's pro's and con's. Personally I think it would be cool to try diferent types of flying. You may be surprised at what you like.

 

[CA1900]

There's no public web site or phone number, no, but a Netjets guy can look those flights up on our Blackberry. Of course, it's all subject to change, sometimes in-flight. Unfortunately, since we can't even ride on our empty legs now (thanks to that insider-trading scumbag David Sokol), it'll probably be a long road, if ever, before we'll be able to carry guys from other companies.

 

[aa73]

I would GLADLY bum a ride off you guys in your sleek rockets! That would be the best j/s ride EVER, wish we could reciprocate at the airlines, I would do so in a heartbeat.

 

[fischman]

I would GLADLY bum a ride off you guys in your sleek rockets! That would be the best j/s ride EVER, wish we could reciprocate at the airlines, I would do so in a heartbeat.

I ain't gonna lie. It's pretty comfy.

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Years ago, 135 EJM used to have scheduled runs on Lear 35's; cheques, VHS tapes, that sorta thing. They had a very modest number of agreements and any of the Execjet fracs could jumpseat by playing dumb if the list was ever pulled out.

 

[NEDude]

When I was at CommutAir we had specific jumpseat agreements with some non-121/135 operations. Specifically agreements were in place with Netjets and instructors from Flight Safety International (not the academy).

At Virgin America the cabin jumpseat is left to the captains' discretion (obviously CASS required for flight deck jumpseat). We have regularly carried pilots from Cathay Pacific as cabin jumpseaters.

IMHO, as a 121 pilot, I have no problem offering an available cabin seat to a fractional guy. However the fractional guys I know all have their tickets bought for them when it is work related travel, and they have so many frequent flier miles that there is really not much need to try and fly standby/jumpseat.