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whatitdoing?

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Anyone else just hate this place? In 8 years, I've never seen it this bad. Everyone is pissed off and nothing runs on time. Seems like a complete meltdown is coming soon. The 4th was a great indicator. I sat waiting for 2 hrs and 14 mins waiting for a gate when my flight was only 37 mins long. ASA's management are a bunch of idiots that have no clue how to run an airline. Why the hell are people applying here? I use to really care about running on time. Now I just pick my nose and write up light bulbs. Screw this place. I've got money saved up to get me through a lengthy strike or loss of my job. I just don't care anymore.
 
Monte Ford, CIO of American Airlines in Fort Worth, Texas, has tackled more serious threats to the morale of his organization during his 14 months on the job than most CIOs expect to deal with in an entire career. In April 2001, Ford guided his organization though a merger with TWA in the largest airline integration in history. Last fall, the sale of Sabre to EDS meant that American Airlines lost almost 4,200 longtime contract employees. And after Sept. 11, Ford had to help his staff support the airline's IT needs as they and the company were rocked by grief and loss.

Through each challenge, Ford kept one idea in mind: The people on his staff are his single most valuable asset. To succeed as a leader and to keep his people's spirits up, he learned to adjust the way he viewed his employees.

"You have to treat your staff as though they're volunteers, not paid workers," Ford explains. "You have to do something every day that will make them want to come to work. IT people are smart; if you treat them badly, particularly during tough times, they'll remember. If you treat them well, they'll be loyal and stick around. If not, they'll leave for a better place as soon as they can."

As part of his philosophy, Ford has instituted a system of rewards and recognition. If someone has worked all weekend to finish a project or has done something good for the department, Ford personally applauds them. He and his managers also praise the staff on an individual and team basis once a week during staff meetings.

"Appreciate your staff as much and as often as possible," says the Wharton School's Klaus. "No matter how long they've been at the company, treat them like they're the best, the hottest stars in the place. Do whatever you can, even in small ways, through e-mails and meetings and one-on-ones, through small gifts or extra time off, to let them know you value them and the work they do."

For such efforts to be effective, they have to be genuine. While a keg party on Fridays or meetings with free lunches may seem like a quick way to make people feel appreciated and valued, if such activities don't fit into your IT culture, they can backfire, says Unifi's Holder.

"People don't stay for cheap tricks," he says. "They stay if the environment is supportive and challenging, the business is functional and there are positive working relationships."


[FONT=arial, geneva, helvetica, sans serif]The Morale of the Story[/FONT]
Bad morale is a very real, very serious problem that demands good leadership. The first step is to acknowledge the existence of a morale problem. If you make the effort to examine your management and communication skills and address a need for improvement, morale will go up and you'll find yourself with a loyal, resilient staff that won't bolt for the hills once the economy improves.


I think most airlines can learn something here.
 
whatitdoing? said:
Anyone else just hate this place? In 8 years, I've never seen it this bad. Everyone is pissed off and nothing runs on time. Seems like a complete meltdown is coming soon. The 4th was a great indicator. I sat waiting for 2 hrs and 14 mins waiting for a gate when my flight was only 37 mins long. ASA's management are a bunch of idiots that have no clue how to run an airline. Why the hell are people applying here? I use to really care about running on time. Now I just pick my nose and write up light bulbs. Screw this place. I've got money saved up to get me through a lengthy strike or loss of my job. I just don't care anymore.

I can sympathize - I work for a cruddy regional too. Have you not checked into AirTran? C'mon - it's your choice if you have the hours...
 
"If you got any notions about not leaving here, change 'em...."

- Skip Giles, ASA Captain, 1999. (Thanks Skip!)
 
Yes, ASA is on the verge of a Meltdown. If the company does survive, Mismanagement won't. Wanna bet some top heads will roll? Of course with a lined parachute.
 
:confused:All I can say is that JA BETTER be paying attention or he is going to lose his 425million dollar investment!! test....test.....JA are you LISTENING!!!!:nuts:
 
atlcrashpad said:
Yes, ASA is on the verge of a Meltdown. If the company does survive, Mismanagement won't. Wanna bet some top heads will roll? Of course with a lined parachute.

So true. Melting down more every day. Hearing that the rampers are slowing things down due to manning issues and having to do the work of others. Sounds like that great American company out there in XNA. That's why I....
VOTED IN FAVOR!
 
If life at ACEY is so bad, why are you still here? Citrus, LUV, CO and FedEx are hiring so leave. True management has made mistakes and the ATL ramp leaves much to be desired, but to listen to the rants and ravings of you on this forum is embarrassing and makes you sound like children.

If you think the grass is always greener on the other side of the regional fence, sit and talk to a Mesaba or Pinnacle driver.
 
Frivolous banter won't get us anywhere Tomct. Why continue to get up everyday and go to a job you seem to hate so much. You say that the company is trying to screw you at every corner and no matter what you do nothing ever happens. If I felt that strongly about it, I would quite and save my sanity. That would make you the idioit for staying at a place that you say hates you, wouldn't it?
 
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...and by the way, I voted yes for the strike ballot. Not for the wages, but for the items we can actually win such as scope trip/duty rigs and merger protection.

Fly Safe
 
I think the pilots/ALPA should call for BL’s resignation. Maybe he’s not directly in charge of ops, but he is ultimately responsible for July, 4th. He also took a large bonus then lied about it in front of a recurrent ground class and while doing so is asking some of us to take pay cuts. Has anybody realized that with a 13.5% pay cut he is asking our first year FO’s to fly for $14,500 a year? AA labor groups pushed out Cartey; Delta pilots refused to negotiate with Mullen, helping to oust him.

We should tell Jerry Atkins we want a new clown, our clown stinks!
 
:rolleyes:Atlcrj, actually NO! You have to keep current flying or you can't move on, but with you being the "MO FO" I don't expect you to know THAT!! Yeah, what that means is that no matter how much the "MAJORITY" of this pilot group HATES coming to work, we do it for the "GREATER GOOD" that is,hopefully not to far down the road!!!

Congrats on VOTING YES! Atleast you have half a brain....I think!:confused:

But MACH, in this game, that is NOT good enough! The others NEED to step it up and STOP CAVING for "supposedly Promised" aircraft. i.e.Comair, not one new airplane YET!!! If you are still trying to get hired at a regional, we are just trying to make it a better start than what we had....YOU DIGG!!
 
Well at least we agree that hopefully something good will come out of all of this. However, my original post still stands. What good will ever come from badgering the company in the forum? Nobody wants to sit outside the gate waiting to park or get screwed by scheduling/payroll. These problems are not isolated to ACY, every air carrier has issues that need to be addressed.
 
Jesus ATLCRJDRIVER....you must be one of those FlightSafety new hires or something. You actually must wet yourself looking at a dang RJ. You have actually no idea what it takes to get hired right now. dang idiot. I hate people that say, "Why don't you just quit if it's that bad". Ya, let's just quit and go from HAVING MONEY....to having NO MONEY!! Health insurance to having NO HEALTH INSURANCE. Jesus, don't you get that man?? I'm talking about how BAD things are at ASA and I hate the situation that I'm in and many others in my position. Hey, if you know 5 internal FEDEX pilots to help me out with one having the pleasure of being my SPONSOR.....WHY THE F**** didn't you say so!!!! I've been sitting around scratching my head on WHY the hell I haven't been hired now. Hell, I filled out a FEDEX application!!! What gives!!??? How about the 8K 737 type? S*** why the f**** didn't you say that I'd be GAURANTEED a job at SWA or you'd volunteer the money on the HOPE OF A dang INTERVIEW!!!! What's great is watching everyones faces (what 1000 guys packed into 2 rooms??) at the last SWA jobfair as they GAVE AWAY INTERVIEWS!!! Like it wasn't hard enough to get one in the first place, they slap our faces with freaking giving them away!!!??? You should of been there to witness that. I thought some were going to throw up. Now, I"ve been trying to get into CO for over a year now, but S***, why the f**** didn't you tell me that you can give me an internal rec or have someone walk my stuff in. Now, if you can't do all that for me ATLCRJDRIVER......shut the F*** up. Morons like you are happy about getting 14K a year while spanking your pud telling your mommy how you're flying a cool little JET. Hell, it's a step up from the C-172 that you just flew last month. So, what you got to say moron??
 
:rolleyes:Okay I will agree that everyone has problems. But to have the kinds of problems that we have around here, is REDICULOUS!!! You would think that our crappy mgmnt would be able to take some suggestions from the front line employee's, but NOOOOOOO! They just keep shifting the blame elsewhere and HOPING that things will just somehow get better! Riiiiiight!
 
whatitdoing? said:
I just don't care anymore.

Sadly, that's the part that I agree with most. I'm not angry (got that out of my system this past Tuesday and Wednesday), I'm apathetic. I just can't summon the energy to care about this place anymore, not when our mismanagement is rearranging deck chairs on the Goodship A.S.A.

And as for atlcrjdriver's "grass is always greener on the other side of the regional fence" comment, what little green we have here is rapidly withering to match the brown I see everywhere else, so I don't think it's a matter of the grass being any greener to most of us.

Time to look for a new neighborhood to play in, I guess.
 
CTS said:
Has anybody realized that with a 13.5% pay cut he is asking our first year FO’s to fly for $14,500 a year?
I'm no fan of mgmt, but if you keep throwing out BS numbers you are no better than they are. Mgmt is asking for the current 50 seat FO scale to apply across the board. The rookie still gets his 19.02/hr. Granted it should be higher and is not ehough to survive on. At least post the real numbers, not some dreamed up bs.
 
gator_hater said:
I'm no fan of mgmt, but if you keep throwing out BS numbers you are no better than they are. Mgmt is asking for the current 50 seat FO scale to apply across the board. The rookie still gets his 19.02/hr. Granted it should be higher and is not ehough to survive on. At least post the real numbers, not some dreamed up bs.

Ok, then how bout this REAL number. After taking a 13.5% paycut, the 70 seat FO position would pay less than the 50 seat FO position. What does it tell you about this shell game that Skywest pilots are being told that their 50 seat costs are too high and if they don't drop them they will lose 50 seaters to us?

And no, I don't hate ASA, and I don't hate my job. I do hate the idiots in charge here that couldn't find their way out of a paper bag with a flashlight and a jackhammer.
 
atlcrjdriver said:
Nobody wants to sit outside the gate waiting to park or get screwed by scheduling/payroll. These problems are not isolated to ACY, every air carrier has issues that need to be addressed.

ATL ASA ops is as ^^^^^ up as it gets from what I've seen. Apologies to the majority of fine ASA pilots out there, but the ATL ASA ramp is the biggest goat rope in the business. Whoever is responsible for that mess is incompetent.
 
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atrdriver said:
What does it tell you about this shell game that Skywest pilots are being told that their 50 seat costs are too high and if they don't drop them they will lose 50 seaters to us?
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There isn't one shread of this sentence that is true, we are running classes of 70 every 3 weeks for the rest of the year and hiring an additional 300 pilots. If you really did hear this, and not just made it up, the person you heard it from is as stupid as you are clueless.

See you all at ATL Flight Safety next month, we just don't have enough sim time here at SLC.
 
atlcrjdriver said:
If life at ACEY is so bad, why are you still here? Citrus, LUV, CO and FedEx are hiring so leave. True management has made mistakes and the ATL ramp leaves much to be desired, but to listen to the rants and ravings of you on this forum is embarrassing and makes you sound like children.

If you think the grass is always greener on the other side of the regional fence, sit and talk to a Mesaba or Pinnacle driver.

Dude, the people you are responding to are most likely trying to get the **** out of ASA. I dare say about 90% of the pilots at ASA would pack up and leave if one of those joints you listed above called. Easier said than done. If you haven't noticed getting hired elsewhere requires a lot more than just filling out an application and submitting it. I would compare your post to someone sitting in traffic screaming at the person in front of them to go when there is a long line of stopped cars in front of them.

Would have voted IN FAVOR!
 
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atlcrjdriver said:
If life at ACEY is so bad, why are you still here? Citrus, LUV, CO and FedEx are hiring so leave. True management has made mistakes and the ATL ramp leaves much to be desired, but to listen to the rants and ravings of you on this forum is embarrassing and makes you sound like children.

And you sir, may put all of us on your ignore list so you won't have to be sooooooo embarrassed and all! That's why I VOTED IN FAVOR!
 
atlcrjdriver said:
What good will ever come from badgering the company in the forum?.

What good? Well, maybe, just maybe, JA will read what's going on here, or one of his 'peoples' will read it and inform him. Ever think of that sport? Didn't think so, so that's why I VOTED IN FAVOR!
 
might as well be $14,500 for new-hires, $19.02 starting pay is somthing like 7-8yrs old, cost of living is a bitc$
 
Saying "If you hate it so much then leave" is really easy to say and very hard to actually do.

I did it: I hated PDT so much, after five years I left and started all over again. I tried to advance my career by applying to AirTran and such, however, those that think once you qualify for a position at these companies equates to almost automatic employment are crazy! Thousands of people are applying for a small percentage of higher paying jobs, and for me I heard nothing from these places. While I was waiting, my home life was being affected by all the crap we were taking at work, plus things were so dreary at PDT I thought even if this place turns around what kind of a career am I really going to have here? So I applied at other regionals simply to change the toxic enviroment I was in (If you hate then leave). I ended up here at ASA.

Fast forward two years and this place is going down the same path, with incompetent managers wanting pay cuts, displacements, base closers and that weed Mesa growing into this company's route structure, same as what happened at PDT!

Changing companies does not result in a better enviroment, this entire industry is messed up.

To say if you don't like it leave, I'll tell you from experience that giving up all your senority is hard and not really worth it unless you can get one of those coveted jobs in the higher end of the industry. This job is not like a doctor or lawyer where experience dictates your pay....we start over, and this is the worst possible feeling, combined with being back on reserve, usually with a pay cut, although this could be temporary it is still not an easy period if you have a family.

I voted YES, because I'm sick of taking pay cuts, whipsawed by Mesa and friends, and being treated like a commodity that is easily replaced.

If ASA goes belly up through a strike or by being unable to control its ramp operation, it would be a huge relief, as I wouldn't have to worry about the future all the time, listen to and take the crap anymore, get upset at the moronic managers, and flying my butt off for a wage I could duplicate as a manager at Burger King. I would be able to be with my family every night, unpack my bag a final time and say "I played the game, gave this industry ten years of my life and moved on to take care of my family.

Just remember, for those that think ASA is a blip on the screen of a long career at Delta, being optimistic about a future career in the majors is fine, just don't believe it's a given and vote yourself out of a fair contract, and reasonable future here if it doesn't work out.

Also, just up and quiting the industry usually requires networking, having a job lined up or going back to school, all of which must be done while working here still to pay the bills. So telling people to shut up or put up, or leave really isn't a viable solution.
 

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