Has Anyone??

[Mach.75]

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Please don't flame me, but...

-I'm in a 121 operation and have never received a high alt. endoresment, is this common, has anyone received it in GS, does anyone even have it?

-Also, what's the scoop w/biannual flight reviews? Are we exempt, or do our PC/PT's count as one (check airman never signs logbook)?

Always wondered, yet never really knew, thanks.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Well I don't fly in a 121 environment, but long as 121 requirements are no different from 91 you don't need a high alt. signoff unless you're PIC of an aircraft that has a service ceiling of 25,000' or more.Oh, and it's a BIENNIAL review, not biannual.....but now I'm just being a jerk!

 

[Ralgha]

Actually it's neither. It's just FLIGHT REVIEW. That way they can easily change the duration of it.

 

[A Squared]

Actually it's neither. It's just FLIGHT REVIEW. That way they can easily change the duration of it.

True, between 1991 and 1997, pilots who had no instrument rating and had fewer than 400 hours were required to have a flight review every 12 months.

As long as it's being required every 2 years, it's not incorrect to refer to it as "biennial", A *biannual" flight review would be twice a year.

Mach .75. If you've had a part 121 pilot proficency check within the last 24 months, you don't need to have a flight review, and no endorsement is required. Take a look at 61.56 (d), it lays it out reasonably clearly.

 

[rubberducky]

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-Also, what's the scoop w/biannual flight reviews? Are we exempt, or do our PC/PT's count as one (check airman never signs logbook)?

Always wondered, yet never really knew, thanks.

My local FSDO says that your Part 121 PC/PT's don't count. Don't know if that’s "law" though. I still instruct part time, the big thing is to watch your currencies with aircraft class. I fly tailwheel as well so my landing currency has to be watched before I teach. Make sure to log some holds and "intercepting and tracking an airway"(legitimately flown) under Part 121 because your instrument currency carries over. I still get a biennial in a 172 and an IPC just to "cover my arss"

 

[blueshoe707]

On the topic of Flight Reviews... part 61.56 as copied below states that a P/C does substitute a flight review. So no, you do not have to go out and get a flight review every two years to fly on your own...

(c) Except as provided in paragraphs (d), (e), and (g) of this section, no person may act as pilot in command of an aircraft unless, since the beginning of the 24th calendar month before the month in which that pilot acts as pilot in command, that person has—

(1) Accomplished a flight review given in an aircraft for which that pilot is rated by an authorized instructor and

(2) A logbook endorsed from an authorized instructor who gave the review certifying that the person has satisfactorily completed the review.

(d) A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege need not accomplish the flight review required by this section.

(e) A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, satisfactorily accomplished one or more phases of an FAA-sponsored pilot proficiency award program need not accomplish the flight review required by this section.

(f) A person who holds a current flight instructor certificate who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, satisfactorily completed a renewal of a flight instructor certificate under the provisions in §61.197 need not accomplish the 1 hour of ground training specified in paragraph (a) of this section.

(g) A student pilot need not accomplish the flight review required by this section provided the student pilot is undergoing training for a certificate and has a current solo flight endorsement as required under §61.87 of this part.

 

[Nova]

-I'm in a 121 operation and have never received a high alt. endoresment, is this common, has anyone received it in GS, does anyone even have it?

And you'll find most captains don't have one either. The aircraft type rating covers all appropriate sub-endorsements that would be needed to operate the aircraft only.

 

[A Squared]

My local FSDO says that your Part 121 PC/PT's don't count. Don't know if that’s "law" though.

Your local FSDO has it's head firmly up it's @SS. Sorry, this isn't directed at you, but I have a really low tolerance for feds making up thier own regulatiolns. It happens quite a bit. You should have whichever pinhead is responsible for this crap read the actual regulation. Here it is from Blueshoe's post:


61.56 (d) A person who has, within the period specified in paragraph (c) of this section, passed a pilot proficiency check conducted by an examiner, an approved pilot check airman, or a U.S. Armed Force, for a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege need not accomplish the flight review required by this section.

Is a pilot proficency check a "pilot proficiency check"? yes (obviously)

Is a check airman an "aproved pilot check airman" ? Yes

Is a 121 proficiency check given for an "operating privilege" again, yes.


Sooo, how do these fine folks at the FSDO conclude that a 121 PC doesn't count?

 

[flx757]

Again, just another fine example as to why the FSDO would be the LAST place I would go for an interpretation of any portion of the CFR.

 

[wings421]

With regards to instrument currency, the PC check will only count for six months. Assume that you lapse into your grace month and you haven't done a hold since your last checkride, you can only fly IFR for the carrier that you are employed by. So, you'd have to have a hold logged if you were going to go out and fly on your own IFR, but not for the company. I always thought that was a little messed up. See 61.57 (c) and (e). Specifically 61.57(e)2

 

[Mach.75]

Thanx

I dusted off the big book and found what I was looking for.
I guess, since the check airman doesn't have to sign the logbooks I need to specifically put that it was a PC in my logbook to operate a plane outside of 121.
Anyway, I always say that between the FAR's, pilot contract, and timesheets you need a lawyer.

 

[ex208driver]

You do not need a high alt. endorsement to fly 121. It is covered in training by doing the rapid descent from altitude from either seat. I had one before coming here, but it by no means helped me get the job.

 

[getonit]

Nova,

I don't think that is correct about a type ride covering all of the sub endorsements. Simuflite wanted to charge me additional money for some type of special course. I said hell no, and had my sim partner sign me off. Sure you do the rapid descent but ground doesn't cover any of the other stuff like high altitude operations, physiology, etc. Which I did cover with my sim partner.

I don't believe there is anything in the FAR's about who can do the high altitude signoff. You had just better be prepared to explain who did everything and why, if you ever have to.

 

[SkyWestCRJPilot]

I don't have a high altitude endorsement but I have a type rating for the EMB-120 which is a pressurized aircraft certified to 32,000 feet.

 

[Swede]

How tough is it for a civilian to get a chamber ride? In retrospect, I thought the altitude chamber was a VERY valuable bit of training, one that I think every commercial pilot should do. Knowing your own hypoxia symptoms, how time of useful consciousness changes dramatically between 25,000 and say 36,000 feet, makes the high-altitude environment seem less mysterious.

Nothing like watching your bud become a drooling idiot within 15 seconds at FL350 in the safety of the chamber!

 

[Dr4uh60l]

I don't have the FAR handy but, in regards to the Flight Review--

Consider the type of aircraft. Let's say you have been flying B737's for the past 3 years with flight reviews or prof. checks with your company check airman. Now you want to go rent a 172 to take someone joyriding. Do you think you would need a Flight Review in the 172? It would be a pretty good idea if you did. When I was a CFI, I had a check airman for AirTran come to me for a 172 checkout. He did fine, but I also had a DC-8 Captain who had to come back 3 times until he was able to land like one of my solo students! Isn't there something in the FAR about Flight Reviews in the type of aircraft to be flown?