Hamas Spirital Leader Killed By Israel

[GogglesPisano]

What's the deal with Sheppard Smith?

 

[350DRIVER]

Hey, don't get me wrong...I think we should turn the whole place to glass. What I’m trying to say is it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if one “accidentally” got away from us and tagged Sharon….would sort of solve this whole “Mid-East Crisis” as we know it.

This would make most middle eastern countries rather happy since most support Palestine in this conflict, rightfully so. I do not think Sharon is dumb enough to harm or lay a finger on Arafat since all he!! would break loose over there if they create a martyr by getting rid of Arafat.. Sharon needs to be held accountable for the continued killing of innocent women and children by using tanks and aircraft. There is no end in sight to this conflict and what should be rather interesting is what is going to transpire in the upcoming days and weeks. Is what Palestine is doing right or acceptable? Absolutely not but you cannot blame them since they have no other means of retaliation.

Arafat has said many times that he is ready to die a martyr, I just do not think Sharon is that dumb to harm him. Arafat has also said many times that no one in the Arab world would "surrender or bow" to Israel and warned that "to Palestine, millions of martyrs will flow." Jordan, Syria, etc, he has much support that will not waiver or falter.

Sharon can keep trying to sell the propaganda and pleas for help but most other countries are not going to be buying it anytime soon.


You or I will not see peace in that region in our lifetime...

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[bart]

I do not think Sharon is dumb enough to harm or lay a finger on Arafat since all he!! would break loose over there if they create a martyr by getting rid of Arafat..

Not so fast...

Do you know how many Arab leaders returned Arafat's calls over the Yassin killing today?

ZERO!

Regional leaders are distancing themselves more everyday from the murderer, and shortly his day will come, and it will come at the leisure of Sharon.

Sharon needs to be held accountable for the continued killing of innocent women and children by using tanks and aircraft.

He is completely accountable to the citizens of his country for his actions. You claim he has killed women and children, maybe so, I believe that he does not TARGET them as the cowardly Arabs do. Unlike the murderer you support, he must stand election.

There is no end in sight to this conflict and what should be rather interesting is what is going to transpire in the upcoming days and weeks.

Oh, but the end is in sight. It will be most interesting what will happen in the coming weeks. I bet we will celebrate an Arafat-free summer. He is on the short list and he knows it, lets see what he does.

"to Palestine, millions of martyrs will flow." Jordan, Syria, etc, he has much support that will not waiver or falter.

Yeah, the ones that have not died in Iraq and Afghanistan, where "millions would flow". I guess a million is just not what it used to be, seems more like about 2 or 3 thousand these days. I would bet Israel says like we did in Iraq, bring it on...

As for the unwavering support of other Arab States, you may want to examine how Syria, Jordan and Egypt are handling your hero lately. They are in damage control mode as they know it is a matter of time before Israel takes him out and they want influence with the successor.

You or I will not see peace in that region in our lifetime...

Nothing brings peace like complete military victory. Your leftist mantra of no peace ever is old and tired and only works when you set out to lose wars. You have a few world leaders that have decided that enough is enough from the islamo punks and are willing to kill them as they step forward for the slaughter. In time, there will be peace as the old islamic radicals die off.

 

[FL000]

Hey FL000!! Your avatar RULES!! Reading the story of how that photo came to be made Shepard Smith my favorite journalist!!

Thanks man. I favor yours as well. I just decided to rotate mug shots every now and then, and Shep's was next in line. I have some real winners on deck.

link to shep story (brief)

 

[TWA Dude]

This would make most middle eastern countries rather happy since most support Palestine in this conflict, rightfully so.

This sentence wins the "Duh!" award. Most Arab and Muslim countries are anti-Israel as a policy, not as a reaction to current or past events.

I do not think Sharon is dumb enough to harm or lay a finger on Arafat since all he!! would break loose over there if they create a martyr by getting rid of Arafat.

Sharon mostly thinks like a general and not a politician. (For an interesting read check out his autobiography Warrior.) It's a sad, sad day when a terrorist/murderer such as Arafat is considered a "moderate". Remember that the Palestinian Authority and Hamas/Islamic Jihad are at complete odds with each other because one is secular and the other Islamic. Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, and Syria/Lebanon brutally suppress fundamentalist Islamic movements in their countries because the alternative is another Taliban or Iran. While killing Yassin is sure to outrage many it was inevitable: he's a threat to all the countries in the region.

Sharon needs to be held accountable for the continued killing of innocent women and children by using tanks and aircraft.

Interesting thought. You know that innocent people are always killed during military actions. Why should Sharon be "held accountable" differerently than any other leader launching defensive military action?

Is what Palestine is doing right or acceptable? Absolutely not but you cannot blame them since they have no other means of retaliation.

Oh, I see your logic. If somebody gets really angry then it's okay to kill civilians since they "have no other means?" You sound like a Muslim extremist. You also have no understanding of how the Arabs of Palestine ended up in this situation to begin with. It started in 1948 when the U.N. drew up a crazily drawn map and awarded land to a Jewish State and an Arab State. The Jewish State said yes and the Arab State and surrounding countries launched a war to drive the Jews into the Medditerranean. The Gaza strip was under Egyptian control and the West Bank under Jordan. Arabs also ended up in Syria and Lebanon. Those countries refused to repatriate the so-called Palestinians, instead preferring to keep them in squalid refugee camps to show the world that Israel had no legitimate right to exist. So you see, the Palestinians are right to be angry and that anger belongs on the Arab countries that manipulated them and used them for their own anti-Israel cause.

Arafat has also said many times that no one in the Arab world would "surrender or bow" to Israel and warned that "to Palestine, millions of martyrs will flow."

Did you know that the PLO was formed by Arafat in 1964, three years before Israel recaptured all that land in the Six Day War? In other words the PLO was formed before there was any occupation. It's charter, unchanged in writing to this day, calls for the destruction of Israel. To the Arab world to "surrender or bow" to Israel means "to let it exist".

You really need to learn more about the history of the Middle East. If you're happy with the idea of the destruction of Israel then I guess your views make sense. Yassin felt the same way about you and America.

Israel has dealt harshly with the Palestinians and indeed it's a shame that any innocent lives are lost. We all wish to see an end to the bloodshed. Muslim extremists want an armed struggle untill the death of all infidels (non-Muslims). The PLO wants the Jews of Palestine to be ruled by an Arab government. The funny part about that is the "demographic bomb" of the Israeli-Arab population will become the majority within this century. The Jews may be pushed into the Mediterranean yet and people like you will then be happy.

 

[Ty Webb]

I could say the same thing about you . . . except I would phrase it HAHA, typical uninformed Eurotrash . . . . [ /i]

Since you are obviously unable (or unwilling) to distinguish the difference between the Israeli side and the Palestinian side, I won't waste too much time with it, but here are a few salient points:

1) The Israelis, who hold almost all the cards, offered to give the Palestinians nearly everything they asked for- BEFORE the violence started. They were turned down by Arafat.

2) The Palestinians deliberately target women and children. They have blown up schools, day care centers, etc. The Israelis target militants, and when there are civilian deaths, they are accidental. Believe me, if the Israelis wanted to just slaughter Palestinian civilians, it would make things a he11 of a lot easier for them militarily.

3) The Israelis have one of the most powerful armies in the world, and have an estimated 200 nuclear weapons. Can you imagine what it would be like if it were an Arab country with that arsenal, instead of the Israelis?

Wake up.

 

[350DRIVER]

Do you know how many Arab leaders returned Arafat's calls over the Yassin killing today?

That is a pretty comical statement I must say but you really think that Israel gained any support by doing this from the anti-Israel countries or anyone else in the region? Come on, you could have done better than this.. I expected much better from you.. Is this killing going to do anything "positive" for Sharon other than having more suicide attacks against his people and country?, come on.. If anything Sharon just guaranteed himself many more attacks of retaliation against Israel and his people, real smart huh? I think you will be in for a few surprises if you buy into this flawed logic and wishful thinking of yours.

Regional leaders are distancing themselves more everyday from the murderer, and shortly his day will come, and it will come at the leisure of Sharon.

right !! - Enough people can see behind the soft money that the jews throw around in this country, I love how you come off by using your "hopes" and "dreams" in an attempt to try and sell them as fact. Big difference here.

He is completely accountable to the citizens of his country for his actions. You claim he has killed women and children, maybe so, I believe that he does not TARGET them as the cowardly Arabs do. Unlike the murderer you support, he must stand election.

He has killed many many innocent women and children by storming into the camps with tanks and aircraft, this is pretty much fact. He may not "target" them but his actions and end results speak much louder than your words, take a look at what he has done since he took office. Sharon is nothing more than a war criminal, look at his past war record as a military leader. I think his past speaks for itself, like him or hate him, with him or against him.

Oh, but the end is in sight. It will be most interesting what will happen in the coming weeks. I bet we will celebrate an Arafat-free summer. He is on the short list and he knows it, lets see what he does.

If you think the end to this Israel-Palestine conflict is in sight then I have some very attractive ocean front property in Oklahoma that I would be more than willing to sell you at a great price. Arafat is not going anywhere anytime soon, Sharon is not that dumb but even if he does take Arafat out you really think the "conflict" is over? This will do nothing more than increase anger and attacks towards Israel from many all across the board. I do not think too much support will be thrown in Sharon's direction/favor if he were to do this but more power to him if he attempts this. If the attacks are going to be bad now you can only imagine what the killing of Arafat would do to the entire region.

Yeah, the ones that have not died in Iraq and Afghanistan, where "millions would flow". I guess a million is just not what it used to be, seems more like about 2 or 3 thousand these days. I would bet Israel says like we did in Iraq, bring it on...

Israel cannot even protect it's own people from these attacks and you think this GI Joe attitude of "bring it on" is what will take place? I must disagree with you but as I said you or I will never see peace in this region, even with the ousting of Arafat it will do very little if anything to make matters better, more likely to make matters much much worse.

As for the unwavering support of other Arab States, you may want to examine how Syria, Jordan and Egypt are handling your hero lately. They are in damage control mode as they know it is a matter of time before Israel takes him out and they want influence with the successor.

He is surely not my hero, (trust me on that one) I just cannot see taking a side of someone who continues to kill innocent women and children as Sharon does. I think this basic fact with many others added is why many support the cause of the Palestinian people and what is in there best interest. Arafat has lost much control in recent time(s), keep in mind that he has been pretty much cut off for the most part from the outside world since he is holed up in his compound. He is not making these suicide calls against Israel. He is nothing more than a man without much power, it is his supporters who are doing the bad. He has condemned the attacks on Israel many times again.

Nothing brings peace like complete military victory. Your leftist mantra of no peace ever is old and tired and only works when you set out to lose wars. You have a few world leaders that have decided that enough is enough from the islamo punks and are willing to kill them as they step forward for the slaughter. In time, there will be peace as the old islamic radicals die off.

Once again this typical GI. Joe attitude and mentality of yours is wonderful but it will accomplish very little if anything over there.. Fortunately your opinion and views are shared by very few who are making these calls present day.. Let Sharon take Arafat out and then see what happens, you think it is bad now over there? Just wait.!!

Sharon mostly thinks like a general and not a politician. (For an interesting read check out his autobiography Warrior.) It's a sad, sad day when a terrorist/murderer such as Arafat is considered a "moderate". Remember that the Palestinian Authority and Hamas/Islamic Jihad are at complete odds with each other because one is secular and the other Islamic. Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, and Syria/Lebanon brutally suppress fundamentalist Islamic movements in their countries because the alternative is another Taliban or Iran. While killing Yassin is sure to outrage many it was inevitable: he's a threat to all the countries in the region.

It is also sad to see what Sharon has done in his past, he is a war criminal. You should know this if you know what he has done as a military leader. Take a look what he has done in Lebanon and other places years back. He is a hard liner that has done very little or anything of substance since he took office. This outrage will probably end up killing hundreds of Jews due to Sharon knocking off one guy.. Not a very smart move if you ask me, if you think this act will not cause retaliation then I must say you are incorrect.. So do the positives outweigh the negatives?? I think not. As for him being a "threat", surely his killing is more of a threat since now many innocent Israeli people are now going to have to pay a price for Sharon's action/choice to knock him off.

Interesting thought. You know that innocent people are always killed during military actions. Why should Sharon be "held accountable" differerently than any other leader launching defensive military action?

Because he is continuing to target defenseless people who have absolutely zero means of protecting themselves and fighting back. It is ok to use tanks and aircraft against people who have nothing of the sort but then you cry when Palestine retaliates with the suicide attacks. No human life should be lost but you cannot soley blame Arafat and the Palestinian people for attempting to defend it's people and land, both parties are at fault.

Oh, I see your logic. If somebody gets really angry then it's okay to kill civilians since they "have no other means?" You sound like a Muslim extremist. You also have no understanding of how the Arabs of Palestine ended up in this situation to begin with. It started in 1948 when the U.N. drew up a crazily drawn map and awarded land to a Jewish State and an Arab State. The Jewish State said yes and the Arab State and surrounding countries launched a war to drive the Jews into the Medditerranean. The Gaza strip was under Egyptian control and the West Bank under Jordan. Arabs also ended up in Syria and Lebanon. Those countries refused to repatriate the so-called Palestinians, instead preferring to keep them in squalid refugee camps to show the world that Israel had no legitimate right to exist. So you see, the Palestinians are right to be angry and that anger belongs on the Arab countries that manipulated them and used them for their own anti-Israel cause

Once again you are using your own beliefs and values to take a position here. You are basically saying that it is OK to kill innocent Palestinian people and you think it is not ok for them to do anything about it. If someone killed your wife or kid(s) I think you may just have a change of heart and not want to be friends with those people.

What is the solution? Kill Arafat and there will be "peace"? I think not but let Sharon try this and see what happens.

I am not happy with any loss of lives whether it be jews or Palestinians- I take no side other than looking at the complete picture. Support whomever you wish but our opinions on this message board are surely not going to change any events that are happening present day. Like I have said before, neither you or I will ever see peace in that region.


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[Ty Webb]

350 Driver, get a grip.

Terrorists go into an Israeli day care center, or restaurant, and machine-gun a bunch of kids, and go running back into the Gaza Strip, and you htink the Israelis aren't going to come after 'em? Give me a break.

Funny how you are willing to hold the Israelis to a higher standard than the Palestinians, who deliberately seek to murder civilians.

If the Palestinian people had half a clue, they would have hung Arafat from a lampost when he walked away from the table when a separate country was within reach.

 

[350DRIVER]

Ty,

Let em hang Arafat and see what happens.. Your logic cannot be that distorted to think all problems would be solved if Arafat is taken out and gone. This will accomplish very little if anything. Get real.

Terrorists go into an Israeli day care center, or restaurant, and machine-gun a bunch of kids, and go running back into the Gaza Strip, and you htink the Israelis aren't going to come after 'em? Give me a break.

So Israeli troops killing innocent Palestinian women and children is is viewed as alright? I see, makes a whole lot of sense bud.

Funny how you are willing to hold the Israelis to a higher standard than the Palestinians, who deliberately seek to murder civilians.

It is even more comical to think that you buy into the hogwash that Palestine will not retaliate against Israel for the killings of their people..

Both parties are at fault, simple as that.

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[furloughfodder]

dashtrash,

Ouch!

 

[Crizz]

Do you guys have lives off this forum? Who the heck has time to read all that, let alone write it.

 

[TWA Dude]

It is also sad to see what Sharon has done in his past, he is a war criminal.

If Sharon is war criminal that means you're the judge and jury since no civilized county or person has ever tried him.

You should know this if you know what he has done as a military leader. Take a look what he has done in Lebanon and other places years back.

Thank you, I'm quite familiar his actions. He's defeated enemy armies and tried to secure Israel's northern border. He engaged in a failed political attempt to put in a friendly government in Lebanon. He failed and then the world allowed Syria to conquer Lebanon so they could end it's civil war and allow Hizbullah to occupy the South.

He is a hard liner that has done very little or anything of substance since he took office.

No Israeli leader since Menachem Begin has done much of substance. Oh, and Begin was in the same party as Sharon, and he was called a "terrorist" by the British during WWII.

This outrage will probably end up killing hundreds of Jews due to Sharon knocking off one guy.

You have a funny way of blaming the victims for the crime. Hamas murders Jews, Jews retaliate, so it's now the Jew's fault?

Not a very smart move if you ask me, if you think this act will not cause retaliation then I must say you are incorrect.

I'm very glad that you're not a professional negotiator, cause if so you'd give in to every terrorist demand just so they won't hurt anybody anymore. Hamas exists to kill Israelis, Jews, and Americans. A general plans his attacks with retaliations in mind.

Because he is continuing to target defenseless people who have absolutely zero means of protecting themselves and fighting back.

Don't worry too much about them; there's plenty of guns in Palestinian territories. Oh, and the terrorists use civilians as shields. Nice people you're defending.

It is ok to use tanks and aircraft against people who have nothing of the sort but then you cry when Palestine retaliates with the suicide attacks.

Sorry, you've got the order wrong. The suicide attacks came first. Superior military might is necessary to save the lives of Israeli soldiers.

No human life should be lost but you cannot soley blame Arafat and the Palestinian people for attempting to defend it's people and land, both parties are at fault.

How does one get their own country in this World? Usually by war. Well, the Palestinians were offered their own in 1947 and they responded by launching a war of anihilation that they lost. And now their Nazi-trained propaganda machine has convinced you the world must give them another one. Wow.

You are basically saying that it is OK to kill innocent Palestinian people and you think it is not ok for them to do anything about it.

Who started the killing? Did Israelis just start murdering Arabs for sport? Or were they defending themselves? It's never okay to kill innocent people but it's an unfortunate byproduct of war.

If someone killed your wife or kid(s) I think you may just have a change of heart and not want to be friends with those people.

Oh, so now it's personal. A loved one gets killed and suddenly it's okay to kill as many others as you wish. You talk out of both sides of your mouth, buddy, and your personal bias is obvious. At least I'll admit that I support an Israel that defends itself and that the alternative is unthinkable. I don't think you'd care one little bit if Israel was conquered.

I am not happy with any loss of lives whether it be jews or Palestinians- I take no side other than looking at the complete picture.

No, you look at half a picture. I simply can't fathom how you equate one who's intent is to kill (terrorists) and one who's intent is to protect (Sharon). The Israelis voted Sharon into power because Arafat chewed-up and spat out every olive branch offered him. I don't think there's any chance of peace until Arafat is dead and Islamic radicalism is extinquished in Palestine.

 

[Skyboss]

All I can say... One less a-hole on the planet.

 

[bart]

I must say but you really think that Israel gained any support by doing this from the anti-Israel countries or anyone else in the region?

And there is the fatal flaw in your thinking. Sharon could give a rat's a@@ for regional support. He is killing the enemies of his country. National interests are not served by pandering to so-called "internationalists".

I have fought in conflicts where total victory brought democracy and lasting peace. Just like people can be cured of cancer, countries and regions can be cured of despotism and radicalism. You have really bought into the defeatist, nobody wins in war mentality.

Sharon can and will win this. The only thing that has stopped him in the past is the threat of US withdrawal of support. If the Israelis can defeat 3 armies at once, they can neutralize these terrorists. Just watch and see as layer after layer of terrorist leadership is cut down.

Eventually noone cares to pick up the flag, as it only means certain death and that drains the romanticism right out of it. Mark my words, at least three layers of Hamas leadership is dead, they just don't know it yet. And Arafat is seeing his last Spring.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Anyone who sees the Israeli targteted assassinations against KNOWN terrorists as the SAME THING as hamas blowing up a bus full of kids is so morally bankrupt as to have surrenderd any right to call themselves a human being.

Any such person does not deserve to call themselves morally aware.

You are nothing but anti-semites, even though you are not aware of it.

Please stop breathing our air here in the US, and move to Gaza where I'm sure you would be much more comforatble with your like-minded brethren.

And take the bus.

 

[Ty Webb]

If you re-read my post, you will see that I said the Palestinians should have hung Arafat- and they should have, too- they should have strung him up like Mussolini. They would have their own country by now, and they would have saved thousands of Palestinian lives at the same time (and hundreds of Israelis, too).

As you may recall, the Israelis offered them their own country, and Arafat walked away from it, because he knew that he would become irrelevant very quickly once they had their own country. In 40-plus years, what has he accomplished for the "Palestinian" people, except death, poverty and squallor?


So Israeli troops killing innocent Palestinian women and children is is viewed as alright?

Get a clue. The Israelis roll into the territories with tanks and helicopter gunships. If they wanted to go in and kill women and children, the death toll would be in the thousands. Since the "Palestinian" terrorists hide behind women and children, who do you think is going to be hit in the crossfire? The Israelis actually use restraint, believe it or not.

Both parties are at fault, simple as that.

While there is enough blame to go around, it is not "that simple". The Palestinians have chosen a course of terrorism.

The Israelis offered them a country 4 years ago, and the bombing and killing has occurred SINCE then. Either you are unable to see the situation from an objective distance, or you are unwilling to. In any event, I have said my piece on the subject. I hope the situation can be peacefully resolved, but in the meantime, I believe our support is where it should be.

 

[Typhoon1244]

350 only chooses to see his side, which is always right, no matter what logic is employed to refute it.

And that makes him different from you and me...how?

 

[Typhoon1244]

Do you guys have lives off this forum? Who the heck has time to read all that...?

Well apparently, you did!

 

[wildcat]

I agree with both using terror as their tactics... The only difference is that we support one side.

Well, duh. Of course we support one side, the democracy, as opposed to the thugs whose sole purpose in life is to push the 'Jews into the sea.'

 

[USMCAirWinger]

Well the problem is that this issue is very complex. In reality We have not been actively supportive as some people suggest. As far as the argument that they "Palestinians" are the only ones in the wrong because of their tactics....well all you have to do is go back 50-60 years and the Israelis were doing the same thing to the British rule (Bombings, kidnappings).
The issue here is that the Palestinians had their land taken away, whether right or wrong. They, in their view, are doing the patriotic thing by doing what it takes to get it back (I'm not endorsing suicide bombings). I'm sure that if they had access to weapons that match the Israeli's they would not be blowing themselves up.